GBB Riffles why not?

Kwokwai · October 17th, 2007, 16:55

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Originally Posted by Gryphon

Yep, mine's coiled as well. I could get away with a smaller straight hose that would hide easier but it's difficult to find 6mm hose in black locally. I'll have to order some.

And yes, the tube comes out of the pistol grip and is hidden by my arm.

Ah, undestood. The hydration hose is just simply a hydration hose then. Got on the wrong track when somebody else mentioned the hose cover...

Hedonism Bot · October 17th, 2007, 16:57

Just to throw in my 2 cents. I'm not a big fan of the reliability of a Gas System versus an electric one. I've never owned a GBB rifle but I've owned several handguns including a full auto Glock.

The cool down factor is a big one and the only way I can see getting around it is to have a LOT of mags. Then you could allow used mags plenty of time to regain their heat. Sticking them next to your man-purse accelerates the process but makes running difficult.

ancorp · October 17th, 2007, 17:21

Well, his has an external tank, so it won't be a problem. And the gas system is supposedly much more durable then most handgun GBBs.

Its probably more reliable then an AEG actually... especially underwater

Styrak · October 17th, 2007, 18:08

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Originally Posted by Hedonism Bot

Just to throw in my 2 cents. I'm not a big fan of the reliability of a Gas System versus an electric one. I've never owned a GBB rifle but I've owned several handguns including a full auto Glock.

The cool down factor is a big one and the only way I can see getting around it is to have a LOT of mags. Then you could allow used mags plenty of time to regain their heat. Sticking them next to your man-purse accelerates the process but makes running difficult.

You've never heard of Classic airsoft have you?

Dynamo · October 17th, 2007, 18:28

what happens when you run out of gas in the external tank?
you would need extra backup tanks, one large main tank to refill the smaller one, or a compressor.

i think Tonio Koba is heading in the right dirrection with the gas in the mags.
each mag should have more then enough gas to shoot 30 rounds+ blowback.
if made to be powered by CO2, then you'd have no problems playing at paintball fields since they have plenty of CO2 tanks to refill your mags.

sure the mags would be more expencive, but the rifle it self would be cheaper (at least it should be) since it wont have that complex sewing machine running on the inside needing constant maintenance just to keep it running.

CO2 is fairly cheap, batteries-pistons-springs-gears-motors-wires, all that crap can be expencive, and i think its impractical to have all of that just for the simple operation of shooting a BB down a tube.
keep it simple and it'll be reliable. make it complex, it'll be expencive and troublesome.

i'd sell all my AEG's for one good GBB rifle.

ancorp · October 17th, 2007, 18:38

Tanio Koba mags use CO2 powerlets from what I hear, non refillable... I could be wrong.

There is another company (on youtube) that made pretty much the same gun, except it takes propane.

And those CO2 cartridges get expensive real fast if you have a itchy trigger finger.

Sterling · October 17th, 2007, 19:13

Ok, I gotta give you gas guns guys props. A guy at the game on Saturday had a gas gun and it was amazing messing around with it. Scared the crap out of people when I fired it too.

Gryphon · October 17th, 2007, 20:12

Well considering I have one 9 oz tank that's lasted for an entire bottle of PHX .28s and STILL has gas in it, I don't really concern myself with running out since it happens about as often as you running out of battery power.

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Originally Posted by Sterling

Ok, I gotta give you gas guns guys props. A guy at the game on Saturday had a gas gun and it was amazing messing around with it. Scared the crap out of people when I fired it too.

That's certainly one nice benefit!

Sterling · October 17th, 2007, 20:36

They sound soooo amazing on Full Auto.

sanosuke689 · October 17th, 2007, 20:51

Indoor Toytec P90 is insane....

As far as the cooldown problem, as long as there is an external air source it is never a problem. I've used an Escort MP5 in cold weather flawlessly, not one pressure difference. HPA is also a good alternative to co2, but requires more work to refill.

Kwokwai · October 17th, 2007, 23:46

No worries about cool down. I once used my FTC SD3 (now sold to another ASC member) with CO2 in the middle of winter with no frost or issues. Only down side was no hopup for that design.

Gryphon · October 18th, 2007, 05:47

I was concerned that the fixed hop would be an issue with my SP, and the adjustable hop mod for this gun is not something an amateur would want to attempt.

Both I, and everyone I've shot at long range, can safely attest that the fixed hop in my gun is NOT an issue!

You should see how well it sails these PHX .28s. Unbelievable.

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October 17th, 2007, 17:21	#48
ancorp AK Guru Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vaughan, Ontario (near Toronto)	Well, his has an external tank, so it won't be a problem. And the gas system is supposedly much more durable then most handgun GBBs. Its probably more reliable then an AEG actually... especially underwater __________________

October 17th, 2007, 18:28	#50
Dynamo Harvester of Noobs' Sorrow Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: T̆͒ͥ̓̿̅̈́̐͊̿͗̐̾̃͐ͧ&#8	what happens when you run out of gas in the external tank? you would need extra backup tanks, one large main tank to refill the smaller one, or a compressor. i think Tonio Koba is heading in the right dirrection with the gas in the mags. each mag should have more then enough gas to shoot 30 rounds+ blowback. if made to be powered by CO2, then you'd have no problems playing at paintball fields since they have plenty of CO2 tanks to refill your mags. sure the mags would be more expencive, but the rifle it self would be cheaper (at least it should be) since it wont have that complex sewing machine running on the inside needing constant maintenance just to keep it running. CO2 is fairly cheap, batteries-pistons-springs-gears-motors-wires, all that crap can be expencive, and i think its impractical to have all of that just for the simple operation of shooting a BB down a tube. keep it simple and it'll be reliable. make it complex, it'll be expencive and troublesome. i'd sell all my AEG's for one good GBB rifle. __________________ Weapons Technician / Gunsmith Don't look at me, I don't know, lol ¯\(°_o)/¯.

October 17th, 2007, 18:38	#51
ancorp AK Guru Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Vaughan, Ontario (near Toronto)	Tanio Koba mags use CO2 powerlets from what I hear, non refillable... I could be wrong. There is another company (on youtube) that made pretty much the same gun, except it takes propane. And those CO2 cartridges get expensive real fast if you have a itchy trigger finger. __________________

October 17th, 2007, 16:57	#47
Hedonism Bot Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ontario	Just to throw in my 2 cents. I'm not a big fan of the reliability of a Gas System versus an electric one. I've never owned a GBB rifle but I've owned several handguns including a full auto Glock. The cool down factor is a big one and the only way I can see getting around it is to have a LOT of mags. Then you could allow used mags plenty of time to regain their heat. Sticking them next to your man-purse accelerates the process but makes running difficult.

October 17th, 2007, 20:51	#55
sanosuke689 Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: States	Indoor Toytec P90 is insane.... As far as the cooldown problem, as long as there is an external air source it is never a problem. I've used an Escort MP5 in cold weather flawlessly, not one pressure difference. HPA is also a good alternative to co2, but requires more work to refill.

October 17th, 2007, 23:46	#56
Kwokwai Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Mississauga, ON	No worries about cool down. I once used my FTC SD3 (now sold to another ASC member) with CO2 in the middle of winter with no frost or issues. Only down side was no hopup for that design.

October 18th, 2007, 05:47	#57
Gryphon Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MB	I was concerned that the fixed hop would be an issue with my SP, and the adjustable hop mod for this gun is not something an amateur would want to attempt. Both I, and everyone I've shot at long range, can safely attest that the fixed hop in my gun is NOT an issue! You should see how well it sails these PHX .28s. Unbelievable.

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