TM new releases: @Hobby Show 2011 Japan

[L473ncy]

Originally Posted by Azathoth

That's true. Marui is changing their business model back to it's core "models" trains, RC etc. Supposedly they are going to release more reliable EBB systems that shoot 350, ...

350? I thought the laws were 1 Joule which would equal to about 328 (330 for the sake of a round number) on .20's

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by Styrak

50 round mags for Hicapa are already out, I don't get it?

Clarification: The announcement is for stainless versions. I'm totally excited about this one, as I am about the 40 round extended single stack mags.

First thing I'll do is grab a bunch of the 50 round Hi-Capa stainless mags and mod them all to 170mm length.

And it's about time they came out with the 31 round stainless mags... I'd been making my own for a couple years now, I'm surprised it took them so long to finally do it.

[Crunchmeister]

Nothing from Marui gets my interest anymore. You can get much better elsewhere now. Anyone who still insists Marui is top dog all around is living in the past. They may have invented some cool stuff with AEGs and mechboxes, but they've had zero real innovation since and have been riding the coat tails of their own success since. You can only do that for so long. Regardless of Japanese laws, cloners, etc, they still haven't stepped up their game with any significant innovation in many years.

Although I will say that a stock TM AEG, if treated right, will probably outlast any other stock gun on the market, most people will only deal with the wobbly plastic bodies and low velocities for so long before going the upgrade route. And honestly, I don't know how many times I've heard stuff like the infamous recommendation for TM because "I've had my TM for X years and it's never failed me...". But when you look at those guns, more often than not it's had most of the externals replaced with metal bodies, stronger barrels, stocks, etc and most of the guts replaced. The actual percentage of TM parts left in the gun is quite minimal at best. To me, that negates the argument right there. Some people have old stock TMs, but I'd say those are a minority.

I consider TM to be pretty irrelevant in the AEG market. They should just stick to GBBs, since they do those better than most other companies.

[ILLusion]

Actually, TM has already moved on to metal receivers, bolt lock back on empty magazines, and blowback that rivals all EBB competition for a couple years now, all with the build quality we've come to expect from Tokyo Marui... we just don't see them much on Canadian shores these days, and thus, many airsofters in Canada aren't aware of these new innovations.

[Crunchmeister]

I've seen one of the newer M4 SOPMOD, and they're nice. If I was looking for an M4 AEG and didn't already have one, I'd consider it. But in the end, the blowback features are just a gimmick and don't interest me much (although TM's is the best to date). There's just not enough there to sway me in that direction. It's still more of the same with a slightly different spin. I'd still probably go for a CA or just build my own over buying a TM.

It would be interesting to see TM getting into the GBBR market though. They're the kings of the GBB world. It seems logical that GBBR should be the next step rather than reinventing the 1911 / 2011 wheel over and over again. Even GBB SMGs would be nice to see.

[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by L473ncy

350? I thought the laws were 1 Joule which would equal to about 328 (330 for the sake of a round number) on .20's

The M4 SOPMOD, SCAR and AKMN all shoot ~350 out of the box. I had for a brief time a MN, and sopmod. Very reliable guns very well built. Better than the G&P/ICS stuff we see in Canada today. Just that we have 0 import route for TM guns.

I agree that Marui should get it's head out of it's ass, and move into the SMG/GBB market before it's too late. Mind you they don't really care all that much as airsoft is such a small component of it's income.

[L473ncy]

Originally Posted by Azathoth

The M4 SOPMOD, SCAR and AKMN all shoot ~350 out of the box. I had for a brief time a MN, and sopmod. Very reliable guns very well built. Better than the G&P/ICS stuff we see in Canada today. Just that we have 0 import route for TM guns.

I agree that Marui should get it's head out of it's ass, and move into the SMG/GBB market before it's too late. Mind you they don't really care all that much as airsoft is such a small component of it's income.

Actually.... I know that recently TM released an electric scooter or something to that effect and they also have their model train subsidiary so it's not like they really need to divest and innovate in the airsoft world. Still it would be nice though, and it would be an extra income stream for them and good all around. That said, if they're not major players anymore then they're not major players anymore it's as simple as that.

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by Azathoth

The M4 SOPMOD, SCAR and AKMN all shoot ~350 out of the box. I had for a brief time a MN, and sopmod. Very reliable guns very well built. Better than the G&P/ICS stuff we see in Canada today. Just that we have 0 import route for TM guns.

... maybe on 0.12g BB's. That's equivalent to 272fps with 0.20g BB's, which is a bit below Marui's claimed range for most AEG's.

Not sure where you're getting your guns, but they're definitely not shooting 350fps with 0.20g out of the box. That automatically breaks the Japanese 1 Joule law and would shut down Tokyo Marui. Japanese law enforcement is very strict on this, and several local shops have already been shut down for modifying guns to shoot as little as 350fps.

The hottest an out-of-the-box Marui AEG or spring gun's ever shot out of my hands, is 310fps.

Are you using a radar based chrony? Those don't work well for airsoft and can give readings like what you're quoting.

[Gulag]

Originally Posted by wildcard

say thanks to Tokyo Marui for at least jump starting the airsoft movement swing going from gas rig to AEG and back to the current gas phase

I absolutely agree on that, but status quo is different and TM's current strategy is something that could slowly kill them.

[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by ILLusion

... maybe on 0.12g BB's. That's equivalent to 272fps with 0.20g BB's, which is a bit below Marui's claimed range for most AEG's.

Not sure where you're getting your guns, but they're definitely not shooting 350fps with 0.20g out of the box. That automatically breaks the Japanese 1 Joule law and would shut down Tokyo Marui. Japanese law enforcement is very strict on this, and several local shops have already been shut down for modifying guns to shoot as little as 350fps.

The hottest an out-of-the-box Marui AEG or spring gun's ever shot out of my hands, is 310fps.

Are you using a radar based chrony? Those don't work well for airsoft and can give readings like what you're quoting.

Was using a Radar based chrono shooting .20

Have you been to echigoya in Japan or any of the other airsoft / hobby chains in the last year? Lots of WE GBBr shooting 400+ hanging on the walls, lots of Made in China A&K, JG guns all shooting well over 1j. it's one thing about having the law, it's another with enforcement and it appears that enforcement is very lax in my eyes. You still see many many many different brands of made in japan springs that are advertised as 0.999999 Joules rating. I somehow don't see store owners downgrading their made in china guns.

Also wasn't it also illegal to have full metal guns made? I wasn't sure about this but Marui has been releasing full metal guns for over a year probably 2+

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by Azathoth

Have you been to echigoya in Japan or any of the other airsoft / hobby chains in the last year? Lots of WE GBBr shooting 400+ hanging on the walls, lots of Made in China A&K, JG guns all shooting well over 1j. it's one thing about having the law, it's another with enforcement and it appears that enforcement is very lax in my eyes. You still see many many many different brands of made in japan springs that are advertised as 0.999999 Joules rating. I somehow don't see store owners downgrading their made in china guns.

I actually haven't been back to Japan in almost 10 years now. My information is just based on news reports from about 2 years ago. I wasn't aware that China guns had such a popularity in Japan.

Originally Posted by Azathoth

Also wasn't it also illegal to have full metal guns made? I wasn't sure about this but Marui has been releasing full metal guns for over a year probably 2+

It turns out that was a myth. Seems like plastic guns was just a cost saving measure, especially if the gun is handling fine at 270fps, then there's no need to make it stronger. If all you're using is duster gas, then it's a non issue. Marui's been releasing metal bodied guns for close to 3 years now, since the introduction of their recoil system. I guess the recoil caused some durability issues that required the upgrade to metal? Or maybe they finally realized that they'd have to at least go to full metal along with new innovations if they wanted to stay afloat in this market.

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[wildcard]

Originally Posted by Azathoth

Was using a Radar based chrono shooting .20

Have you been to echigoya in Japan or any of the other airsoft / hobby chains in the last year? Lots of WE GBBr shooting 400+ hanging on the walls, lots of Made in China A&K, JG guns all shooting well over 1j. it's one thing about having the law, it's another with enforcement and it appears that enforcement is very lax in my eyes. You still see many many many different brands of made in japan springs that are advertised as 0.999999 Joules rating. I somehow don't see store owners downgrading their made in china guns.

Also wasn't it also illegal to have full metal guns made? I wasn't sure about this but Marui has been releasing full metal guns for over a year probably 2+

while it is true that there are many clone guns up for sale in Tokyo but I would'nt call it ground breaking since they all have to function with duster the only GBBR that I saw used to skirm with when I was there a year ago was the WA. The WE that you mentioned were never allowed in the field to play with unless it was a private game, the metal gun rule was a bit relaxed over the years but they still check these stores often ever since these chinese cloned guns start to make an appearance in the JDM market. A close friend who came back from Tokyo before the massive earthquake said that he witnessed the police confiscated a bunch of AEG believed to be King Arms that were shooting over 300fps off a shelf in an airsoft store in nagoya

[Kuney]

Originally Posted by sushicake

Yeah but there's 50 round hi-capa mags too already available.

Thanks for pointing out, You are right. I missed again lol
I should correct the info.

"Stainless" made 50 rds mag for HI-capa is introduced at the show.
black 50rds mag already exists.

truly sorry for misleading.