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Styrak January 31st, 2007 16:10

New to Airsoft
 
Like it says I am new to airsoft and I believe I'm going to buy a metal/plastic GBB Glock 17. Now, I have read that .20g BB's are the best for normal airsoft guns. Is it safe to use .12g BB's? I assume they will just have a higher FPS. Will they affect the gun at all or damage it? Also, is it safe to dry fire a GBB hand gun with/without a mag full of gas? One last thing. I've read that gas lasts about 2 mags worth of BB's. Is this true, or what is the average?

amano999 January 31st, 2007 16:14

.12g bb's are not very good. No range, they won't fly very straight and ppl won't feel the hits. You can use them, but if you buy really cheap ones, then can break inside your gun and you gotta clean/fix it.

Mag fills depend on the gun, but usually 1 fill will go through 1-2 mags.

trufret January 31st, 2007 16:18

.12 bbs are generally very cheaply made with seems that may damage your hop-up. Dry firing may eventually cause parts of the firing mechanism to break but theres no telling when it will happen. how long a fill will last depends allot on the gun. I have a WA 1911 that will last 3-4 mags on 1 fill however i have a KJW para that only lasts for 1 mag sometimes less. some guns and valves are justmore gas efficient then others

Kid January 31st, 2007 16:30

I can't see dry firing with a mag full of gas hurting your gun, but I can definately tell you, from experience, that dry firing without a mag loaded, or an empty mag, will get you.

By the way, I was using a KJ G32C, which is the exact same as a KJ G23.

Styrak January 31st, 2007 16:33

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Originally Posted by Kid (Post 416381)
dry firing without a mag loaded, or an empty mag, will get you.

How so? What do you mean exactly?

Kid January 31st, 2007 16:35

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Originally Posted by Styrak (Post 416384)
How so? What do you mean exactly?

It takes away any 'cushion' the firing mechanism had. Just a lot of unnecessary wear.

Hard to explain...

Styrak January 31st, 2007 16:38

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Originally Posted by Kid (Post 416388)
It takes away any 'cushion' the firing mechanism had.

Ah, I think I get what you mean, because the firing mechanism is going off, but the slide isn't going back, because no gas, right?

Brian McIlmoyle January 31st, 2007 16:46

Dry fire... and .12
 
.12 bbs are poor quality.. and may potentially break in the gun.. the quality control is poor and many are malformed..

That being said... I have fired thousands of .12 bbs when working on shooting form , drawing and firing.. weapon transitions and the like... where I was working very close range .. on static targets... ( to reduce costs )
I ran them through my KWC G19s...

Also these same guns have been dry fired lots... keep in mind every action with the weapon causes wear and tear... and chipps away at its useable service life..

I have 2 G19s still working out of the original 4 that I got almost 2 years ago .. they failed from metal fatigue on the outer barrels and on the hammer sears... just wore out.. after literally 10s of thousands of rounds through them.. and lots of .12 bbs and lots of dry firing....

So I don't know if anyone can say "empirically" from clear evidence and actual testing if running .12 bbs or dry firing has any real effect on the service life of GBB pistols...

Styrak January 31st, 2007 16:54

Thanks for the input.

kalnaren January 31st, 2007 16:57

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Originally Posted by Styrak (Post 416389)
Ah, I think I get what you mean, because the firing mechanism is going off, but the slide isn't going back, because no gas, right?

I don't know about GBBs, but on AEG's are dry fired there is no resistance for the piston and it causes increased impact forces on the internal components. I would assume the same is for GBB guns.

WhatTheWho January 31st, 2007 17:04

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Originally Posted by kalnaren (Post 416401)
I don't know about GBBs, but on AEG's are dry fired there is no resistance for the piston and it causes increased impact forces on the internal components. I would assume the same is for GBB guns.

Actually, to imply they are the same is to say that dry firing with a filled mag but no BBs causes damage. However, it's just as safe to fire a GBB with or without BBs.

Damage occuring when dry firing without a mag depends on the design of the GBB.

Take for example, a KSC Glock; the majority of the force of the hammer spring is taken by the hammer and the touch breach with or without a magazine. With a mag, the hammer pin takes some of the force as it strikes the flow valve.

In this case, I would rather have the hammer and touch breach take all the force instead of the hammer pin. You could state, then, that dryfiring without a mag is safer as it preserves the hammer pin.

Kid January 31st, 2007 17:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by kalnaren (Post 416401)
I don't know about GBBs, but on AEG's are dry fired there is no resistance for the piston and it causes increased impact forces on the internal components. I would assume the same is for GBB guns.

But with GBBs, that just means the gas comes out faster. It shouldn't effect anything internally as long as the mag does in fact have gas in it.

But if the mag has no gas, there is no resistance when the firing pin strikes. That is what broke in my gun.

wildcard January 31st, 2007 17:31

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Originally Posted by Styrak (Post 416372)
Like it says I am new to airsoft and I believe I'm going to buy a metal/plastic GBB Glock 17. Now, I have read that .20g BB's are the best for normal airsoft guns. Is it safe to use .12g BB's? I assume they will just have a higher FPS. Will they affect the gun at all or damage it? Also, is it safe to dry fire a GBB hand gun with/without a mag full of gas? One last thing. I've read that gas lasts about 2 mags worth of BB's. Is this true, or what is the average?

.12 bb's are good only for the marui tanks

Styrak January 31st, 2007 18:29

Thanks for all the info guys. If I DO get a gun, and I do want to dry fire, I'll have the mag in, at least. :P

And I'll use .20g!

Styrak January 31st, 2007 20:33

Ooooooh I have a few more questions. First of all, is it ok to leave a magazine charged? Or what do you do? How long are they ok to leave?

Is there any other AirSoft suppliers in Canada other than ASCArmoury or A&A that sell $200-ish GBB handguns?
Or is there any other suppliers at all in Canada for that matter? I haven't had any luck online.


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