Up coming TM stuff
 

Just saw the Hyperdouraku

New stuff:
HK G36K recoil engine blowback
HK G3 SAS blow back
HK P30
HK45
M&P XDM-40

The vid didn't show everything, but still really interested in the HK45, and of course we're gonna have to wait for the metal slide.

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the p30 is electric....ew I hope by hk45 they mean USP or p8 and NOT electric....

Looking good ! :D

Something amusing about Marui playing catch up with the G36K.

At least Marui makes GOOD electric blowback :)

Aaand companies are coming out with upgrade parts for their electric blowback rifles...

not trying to flame but i think EBB's are a waste of money. they should focus on making new guns..

really looking forward to the:

M&P..... Lord please let it be 45, or at the very least 40
Hk45...... need i say more?
XdM-40..... again need i say more?

The EBB G36K is the only thing that caught my eye in that vid. Though I do agree that EBBs are a waste considering how hot the GBBR market is right now, I'm surprised TM hasn't jumped on that band wagon yet though I'm sure they're working on it.

But saying "good EBB" is kind of like saying "good herpes". It's sort of an oxymoron. But on the good side, it's a TM, so it'll last you for life, just like herpes. :D

TM's Sopmod is pretty good!

It's like a reliable version of a GBBR!

+1 who the fuck cares when there's so much going on in the GBBR arena, TM should look at new/different weapons platforms for their new ideas, or even new GBB pistols, as they know their stuff, EBB is for chairsofters

I personally think for gaming purposes, EBB is much more reliable.

-No need for gas refill. One extra battery is enough. Or no extra at all if you're using lipo
-Can function well in winter
-No need to carry propane tanks around haha
-Needs better accuracy aftermarket parts. Notably Hop up rubber and tightbore. Laylax anyone?

^that's what aeg's are for, ebb is just a kool feature that attracts people that dont play and just use it at home, similar to the new gbbr fad, but with more companies getting into it, we will soon have gameable gbbr's

Thats quite a generalization. The TM SOPMOD has the same functionality of an AEG with the added benefit of the bolt catch and not sounding like a sewing machine. I absolutely love fielding it and the sound and the snap sure do enhance my game experience.

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Looks like it blows back nearly as much as a GBBR :)

I don't know why people think GBBRs are a fad. The reason I play airsoft was to be more realistic than paintball, and GBBR seems like the logical next step

Of course it's a generalization, in general ebb's are just normal aeg's with a little bit of metal that moves to impress chairsofters/noobs but that one particular TM SOPMOD is different, it's in a different class by itself :)

Aw yeah, dont get me started on the rest of them.
Yuck.

I've been told that TM's EBBR's are all going to be using a SOPMOD like system... So it wont just "clack clack clack" G&G style.

@nooblord:

GBBR's cool-down effects, limited BB capacity and temperature volitility makes electric win :)

I'm not sure if you knew this or not, but airsoft evolved from Gas to electric... and these new guns are just throw-backs to the olden' days of Marui Man :)

Marui Man will come save our souls once again!

I know it used to be gas, but it moved to electric because people got tired of running around with HPA rigs, no? Can cool down in GBBRs not be compared to heat accumulation in a real firearm? and "limited BB capacity" would also be real cap would it not?

1bb does NOT equal 1 bullet. Unless your standard engagements are 30 feet... Doesn't work like that.

Having actually tried the TM AK74, even though it doesn't use the same counterweight system as the SOPMOD, it provides enough tactile feedback to make shooting it very different from shooting a regular AEG. Plus it definitely sounds better.

Properly executed electric blowback has good potential, if people would drop their preconceptions and luddite nay saying and give them a try.

I've shot the TM blowback AK, wasn't impressed with it

Yeah I've fire the TM AK74MN with blowback, it was crap.

Compared to a GBBR, the recoil is obviously limited. Compared to an AEG, well, there's recoil versus not.

Then there are people who are impossible please, and those perfectly content with the idea that airsoft is fine with sewing machines and doesn't need force feedback.

Im content with knowing that I have the marksmanship and skill to make me an effective member of what ever force I am fighting on, my sewing machine suits me just fine :)

when gbbr's become developed enough to become fieldworthy then I will explore that avenue

Electric blowback is not really a personal performance issue to begin with. AEG with or without blowback basically shoot the same, BB, hopup, spring, piston (with blowback models suffering somewhat in accuracy with better recoil). What the issue is is a matter of immersion.

If one's looking at airsoft from a predominantly simulation perspective, force feedback from and visual cue of the weapon cycling (whether electric or gas) is a pretty good experience enhancer.

If one's looking at airsoft from a predominantly round-on-target perspective, well, why even bother with projectiles? Lasers are much more accurate and effective for point-and-shoot.

Not impressed by any of this lineup. Seems TM is affraid of doing anything outside the box.

of course it's personal, if they work the same way, what other reason would one choose ebb over aeg?

until airsoft bb's behave like real bullets, then we will always be doomed to the limitations of our makebelieve combat world

if people cared for electric recoil then everyone would be using one, not so?

the fact that ebb has failed to deliver a realistic experience is what has fueled different companies to pursue the gbbr market, because airsofters see it as a truer more realistic experience, myself included, and I will probably get one of those once they become more affordable and fieldable.

The only thing i find usefull on the ebb models is the bolt catching on an empty mag standard aegs could benefit insteaed of continuing to cycle .

False logic.

EBBR with notable recoil has only been attempted recently, first by TM, then a couple others. Previous attempts by G&G didn't count, simply because they were mainly focused on simulating bolt cycle.

Throw in the fact that TM SOPMOD/SOCOM requires new magazine (well worth it for dry fire stop) and battery, and backwards parts compatibility is poor, the current champ of EBBR is on par with a high end AEG (it is a high end AEG).

But this is all mute for Canada. Given our situation, we'll always be somewhat behind the rest of the airsoft world no matter which what feature catches on.

While it's true that EBBRs probably can't ever have has much recoil as GBBRs, it's just the same that GBBRs will probably never match EBBRs in terms of reliability and fps stability across temperature ranges.

Though, the better GBBRs are perfectly fieldable now and are fielded in both skirms and milsims (maybe not so much in Canada), provided the shooter doesn't treat it like an AEG and temperature isn't jumping between freezing and super hot.

I was referring to EBB pistols. Their performance sucks at best. The 'blowback action' is lame and useless. On AEGs, it's just an extra little gimmick. Below the surface, you still have a functional AEG that can perform.

EBB pistol shown and the ones they've made before is for kids 10 and up....not marketed to us....AEP like the Glock 18, and the USP and what not is supposed to be more for regualr airsofter who doesn't want gas pistols...

Absolute ONLY blowback aegs worth getting are the ones with some form of recoil generators. (kinda looks like the G36 has one, god I hope it does....)

The G36 blowback looks like the bolt and charging handle still only move back part way like on regular AEGs. Might as well do that blowback mod that guy did on his regular G36.