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turok_t March 3rd, 2009 13:32

ACOG scope for M4
 
Are there any ACOG scopes that can zoom in? I was browsing through some stores and most of them are only 1x. Any ideas? Thanks guys

Danke March 3rd, 2009 13:50

Which ones have you seen? the 4X seems most common.

I'm really starting to think I could use a nice variable scope like the S&B short dot myself. Is that more like what you're after?

Crunchmeister March 3rd, 2009 13:57

For airsoft, they make 1x red dot ACOG lookalikes, but you can also get the standard 4x magnification models. Those tend to be more expensive though.

turok_t March 3rd, 2009 13:59

I saw the G&G scope, and these ones below:

1. http://www.mtmfg.ca/product/gg-acog-...shair-1812.cfm

2. http://gunheaven.com/index.php?main_...products_id=27

3. http://www.mach1airsoft.com/web/cata...om&id=56&cat=5


Im looking for either a ACOG or regular RDS (http://gunheaven.com/images/guns/acc...scprd40rgd.jpg) that can zoom, i prefer not to have the really long and slender ones.

Crunchmeister March 3rd, 2009 14:01

You won't find an ACOG with a zoom function. It's either 1x RDS, or 4x.

turok_t March 3rd, 2009 14:23

is there a RDS that looks like the link i posted above that has 4x?

turok_t March 3rd, 2009 14:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister (Post 931661)
You won't find an ACOG with a zoom function. It's either 1x RDS, or 4x.

My mistake, by ZOOM, i actually meant magnification.

Danke March 3rd, 2009 14:32

Here are some variables, they all follow the same pattern though.

http://www.opticsplanet.net/barska-1...e-ac10018.html

http://www.canadaknives.com/product_...7753726abf61cf

http://www.leupold.com/tactical/prod...illum-reticle/

And the Trijion version

http://www.opticsplanet.net/trijicon...cope-tr21.html

All the same basic pattern, nothing short and stubby with the look of an ACOG, Aimpoint, etc.

You could also get an Aimpoint, EOTech etc. and combine with a flip to the side magnifier.

The posted links are only examples of the sights, not places I've bought products from by the way, some of these sights can be import or export restriected in their real versions.

Danke March 3rd, 2009 14:35

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Originally Posted by turok_t (Post 931677)
My mistake, by ZOOM, i actually meant magnification.

Lots of choices in that type. Try before you buy, some have horrible eye relief, others have non moving cross-hairs or dots.

LUTNIT March 3rd, 2009 14:42

Chinese brands = non-adjustable and/or horrible eye relief

I have a Huang ACOG I got through a trade and it has less than 1" eye relief, as in the space your eye has to be in behind the scope to focus properly is a 1" range, not that you have to be within 1" of the scope.

G&P makes the best 4x ACOG short of the real thing (yes, Chinese, but Hong Kong, not mainland, so in a different category than "Chinese" brands.)

As far as I know ACOG's only have an export ban from the States if they have Tritium in them. Holosights are export banned totally. Aimpoints I'm not sure on. Export ban doesn't mean you wont get it, it means you might not get it but if caught you will also find it more difficult to fly within the US as you will automatically be put on the terrorist watch list for trying to arm terrorists with US equipment. ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that leaves the continental USA that has a ban AUTOMATICALLY lands in the hands of a terrorist, period, end of story. At least according to certain US government policy makers...

Crunchmeister March 3rd, 2009 14:46

Most of those sights are banned from exportation, because like Lutnit said, 100% of weapon sights exported from the US are considered going to terrorists.. lol

And not to mention most are more expensive than even a high end AEG... A real ACOG is in the $1200 US price range, if I'm not mistaken...

LUTNIT March 3rd, 2009 14:59

With Tritium it can break US$1700!

Danke March 3rd, 2009 15:08

Eye relief is critical as you'll be wearing some type of eye protection.

With poor eye relief it means you can't get close enough to see through the tube properly if your goggles are an inch away from your face.

huang March 3rd, 2009 15:09

There are over 5 different models of ACOG in my store, try them out before buying.

kalnaren March 3rd, 2009 15:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by turok_t (Post 931631)
Are there any ACOG scopes that can zoom in? I was browsing through some stores and most of them are only 1x. Any ideas? Thanks guys

Just some terminology to help you out here:

By definition a "scope" is a sight with variable magnifacation. If it isn't variable, it isn't a scope. Otherwise its just an optical sight with magnifacation.

turok_t March 3rd, 2009 15:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danke (Post 931718)
Eye relief is critical as you'll be wearing some type of eye protection.

With poor eye relief it means you can't get close enough to see through the tube properly if your goggles are an inch away from your face.

Thanks for your help guys. So this is going to be a NEWB question so please dont flame mee. So for eye relief, its the distance between your eyes and the lens. In that case, is it better to have a HIGH eye relief so that you can focus from greater distances away from the scope?

I went through many of the sites selling scopes, but none mentions eye relief. How will I determine this?

LUTNIT March 3rd, 2009 15:39

Eye relief is the range your eye can be from the scope to be in focus. It is not necessarily the distance from the scope. For example a really nice scope might have a 3" eye relief but it starts 1" from the scope. So your eye has to be no less than 1" and no more than 4" from the scope.

Usually you can get quite close to the scope, like say 1/2", and I even have one scope (semi-permanent loan to my room mate for his M14) that has an almost 6" eye relief (only 1.5x though.)

I have owned some really cheap NCStar scopes that had 1/2" or less eye relief, there was one super precise point your eye had to be at for the scope to work at all, was horrible.

Usually the higher the magnification, the worse the eye relief. So for say a 3-9x scope it is usually really easy to use at 3x but you need to take your time and be more precise at 9x because of the lower eye relief.

Amos March 3rd, 2009 15:55

My Bushnell Trophy Gold scope is a 1.5 to 9 and it has close to 12 inches of eye relief... It's beautiful.

LUTNIT March 3rd, 2009 16:10

Oh yeah, well my holosight is infinite!


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