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sopmod February 15th, 2009 18:45

Magpul Dynamics
 
Does anyone know where i can get Magpul Dynamics DVD in canada? I tried Amazon.com. Unfortunately they dont ship to canada for some reason.

DuffMan February 15th, 2009 19:38

Training materials fall under the ITAF export restrictions. Your only real option is to hope it turns up on torrent, or something.

pugs144 February 15th, 2009 19:56

The Magpul DVD's are good to go for Canada. A gentleman here in Kingston has a dealer account with Brownell's and brings them in regularly to sell on CGN.

It's great material.

Ronan February 15th, 2009 20:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duff_Man_in_CADPATs (Post 919969)
Training materials fall under the ITAF export restrictions. Your only real option is to hope it turns up on torrent, or something.

Isn't restricting/limiting information bad/illegal?:confused: Unless its about the private affair/life of an individual of course

Wilson February 15th, 2009 20:52

We have a copy of "The Art of The Tactical Carbine" and it is fantastic material. Almost all of their stuff has been incorporated into our drills. Highland Tactical highly recommends Magpul Dynamics!

DuffMan February 15th, 2009 20:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronan (Post 920004)
Isn't restricting/limiting information bad/illegal?:confused: Unless its about the private affair/life of an individual of course

ITAR restricts trafficking in arms and military equipment. Military training falls under that category. It's why MPRI had to teach 'democratic values' as opposed to 'kicking Serbian ass' prior to Operation Storm.

pugs144 February 15th, 2009 20:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronan (Post 920004)
Isn't restricting/limiting information bad/illegal?:confused: Unless its about the private affair/life of an individual of course

:rolleyes:
Read up on the ITAR provisions.

E_benoit February 15th, 2009 21:08

Brownells ships to canada. I had no problems getting mine. Word is they approved it for export about a month ago.

Ronan February 15th, 2009 21:22

Ok thanks. It's just wierd... its like saying 'the Gov doesn't want you to learn to make bombs or learn US Army close quarter combat lessons' but you can simply Google it and voila.

So in return, does it make it illegal to google/download that kind of information?

pugs144 February 15th, 2009 21:33

Yes. Black helicopters are inbound to your grid. Time on target......30 seconds. I call dibs on your PTW and Mustang. Inquiries such as these really make me question Concordia's viability as a post-secondary institution as a whole and in its ability to instill critical thinking skills, basic research techniques, and plain old common sense in its students.

DuffMan February 15th, 2009 21:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronan (Post 920045)
Ok thanks. It's just wierd... its like saying 'the Gov doesn't want you to learn to make bombs or learn US Army close quarter combat lessons' but you can simply Google it and voila.

Gee, the internet is difficult to control and legislate. I don't think anyone has ever made that realization.

(Admittedly and in particular, it is puzzling that US Mil FMs are unrestricted.)

Shirley February 15th, 2009 22:10

They're intense! I love watching the trailers. lol

pugs144 February 15th, 2009 22:18

Chris Costa airsoft impression.............GO!!!

It's gonna happen.

Shirley February 15th, 2009 22:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugs144 (Post 920071)
Chris Costa airsoft impression.............GO!!!

It's gonna happen.

LOL forsure.
Need to get myself a copy.

Ronan February 15th, 2009 22:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugs144 (Post 920048)
Yes. Black helicopters are inbound to your grid. Time on target......30 seconds. I call dibs on your PTW and Mustang. Inquiries such as these really make me question Concordia's viability as a post-secondary institution as a whole and in its ability to instill critical thinking skills, basic research techniques, and plain old common sense in its students.

Oh snap! I'll update my will to make sure you get something nice from me! I'll say high to your friend Bubba also.

Wilson February 15th, 2009 22:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugs144 (Post 920071)
Chris Costa airsoft impression.............GO!!!

It's gonna happen.

Any competent shooter is going to look like him. Some of the older guys can probably get away with looking like James Yeager from Tactical Response. lol

Ming_the_Merciless February 16th, 2009 09:28

Big +1 for Magpul Dynamics!

Considering that the average price from a carbine course is between $500 to $1000 USD, its amazing that they are just charging $40 for around 3 hours worth of material, separated on three DVDs.

Moreover, I personally like Travis Hailey's setup, with the Redi-Mag + BAD (Bolt Assist Device), I am really hoping they'll roll with that fast, Magpul, and start offering it. Though I've seen some people already making their own BAD, too bad I don't have access to a CNC machine or something. I would love to T&E the BAD on my AR.

Can't go wrong, again for the material, no BS, 3 hours, price of $40 is just a steal.

Wilson February 16th, 2009 09:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ming_the_Merciless (Post 920252)
Big +1 for Magpul Dynamics!

Considering that the average price from a carbine course is between $500 to $1000 USD, its amazing that they are just charging $40 for around 3 hours worth of material, separated on three DVDs.

Moreover, I personally like Travis Hailey's setup, with the Redi-Mag + BAD (Bolt Assist Device), I am really hoping they'll roll with that fast, Magpul, and start offering it. Though I've seen some people already making their own BAD, too bad I don't have access to a CNC machine or something. I would love to T&E the BAD on my AR.

Can't go wrong, again for the material, no BS, 3 hours, price of $40 is just a steal.

If you shoot real steel, Ayoob has some good stuff to offer. The videos by Tactical Response lack the fit and finish of the Magpul Dynamics stuff, but the mindset offered there (and the quips from Yeager) are honestly some of the best shooter-developing building blocks out there.

Ming_the_Merciless February 16th, 2009 15:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilson (Post 920255)
If you shoot real steel, Ayoob has some good stuff to offer. The videos by Tactical Response lack the fit and finish of the Magpul Dynamics stuff, but the mindset offered there (and the quips from Yeager) are honestly some of the best shooter-developing building blocks out there.

Yeah, but the Yeager DVDs are $100 a pop, total about $300 to $400 for this complete set. Which is why the Magpul Dynamics DVDs are so appealing. Right now I'm investing in a couple of items before the speculation of a supposed "ban" on high capacity magazines or even semi-auto rifles gets enacted. Because $400 can be well spent on items that might be "banned", whereas DVDs and training material will always exist.

Other than obtaining literature/training media, which Ayoob is great for, I personally would love to attend a carbine class ran by Yeager, Chris Costa, Travis Haley, Pat Rogers (EAG Tactical), and more, but too busy, lack of time. Hopefully I'll have enough accumlated paid leave though. :D

For real-steel shooters, Pat Rogers is definitely a no BS guy, he also gets to T&E a number of new rifles and accessories. For instance the new TangoDown mags, and LWRC, Daniel Defense, and S&W rifles. And is a frequent writer/author of multiple articles in SWAT mag:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.htm...360169&page=38
(Great topic, that details what parts fail in a carbine course.)

It's quite a long read, evolved into a ask Pat Rogers (EAG) post, but off the top of my head, in no particular order these were items that were documented to have broken/worn:

1.) Bolt Assembly (Extractor, Extractor Pin, Extractor Spring, etc.)
2.) Firing Pin Retainer
3.) Gas Rings
4.) Trigger Disconnector

Now does that mean its limited to those items, absolutely not, those were just what I remember from what Pat and others mentioned as to what failed in a carbine course. Underscoring this was the need to have good reliable magazines as well, and keeping the AR wet, dripping wet.

Thought this would prove interesting for the real-steel shooters here on ASC, or those planning on taking a carbine course:

Quote:

Page 24 of the What Breaks in a Carbine Course? (AR15.com)
Critical Items for a Carbine Course:
Lower:
- Quality LPK
- Replace springs as needed (trigger, hammer, disconnector)
- Lube on the hammer/trigger springs
- Correct buffer
- Blue loctite on grip screw
- Properly staked castle nut (and possibly loctite as well if you prefer)

Upper:
- Properly staked gas key.
- Quality mfg bolt.
- Serviceable extractor, extractor spring
- Blue locktite on any screws for BUIS, optic mounts, etc.
- Spare batteries for optics
- "Bolt locking lugs generally have detactable cracks by 5000 to 10,000 rounds and may break at some point between 10,000 and 20,000 rounds".

Magazines:
- USGI w/ magpul followers
- PMAGS
- Lancer mags
- Always bring plenty of spares.

Ammo:
- Quality ammo, try to get ~1K-1500 rds down the tube before a class.

Lube:
Slip 2000, CLP, Mobile 1, vagasil, etc:
Keep It Running by Pat Rogers
( http://www.ar15.com/content/swat/keepitrunning.pdf - copy & paste)

Spare parts:
Spare bolt, carrier, springs, etc. A spare rifle isn’t a bad idea either.

REXTER February 16th, 2009 20:41

Videos are only so good. Nothing will replace good quality hands on training with a thorough, competent instructor.

Deadpool February 28th, 2009 23:39

BTW Airsoft G.I. Has them and they are only at 34$ for the set. They're the lowest price I found on the net!

pugs144 March 1st, 2009 00:24

Trivia: Travis Haley is the BW sniper shown in that famous 2004 Al Najaf video where he remarks, "Jesus Christ it's like a fuckin' turkey shoot."

DuffMan March 1st, 2009 00:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugs144 (Post 929885)
Trivia: Travis Haley is the BW sniper shown in that famous 2004 Al Najaf video where he remarks, "Jesus Christ it's like a fuckin' turkey shoot."

It might be prudent to include the context of that quote so he doesn't come off as a mass murderer.

Short context: They (Contractors, Pole mil , US mil) were under heavy contact and had little to no support.

PaCHeKo! March 1st, 2009 13:11

Where can I see this vid about Travis?

grimreefer March 2nd, 2009 23:13

What are those tensioned m4 magazine holders they use on their belts? I've seen the blackhawk pistol mag ones, but haven't seen these before.

FOX_111 March 3rd, 2009 09:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaCHeKo! (Post 930099)
Where can I see this vid about Travis?

Google Black Water sniper.
You'll find it in no time.

Shirley March 3rd, 2009 12:24

Watched the first 50 mins of the first DVD.. it's already helpful..
Can't wait till I get licensed and buy a real steel... LOL

Gerkraz March 4th, 2009 07:54

Yar har har har....arrrrrrr, we loves da stormy internet seas.

FOX_111 March 4th, 2009 08:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerkraz (Post 932339)
Yar har har har....arrrrrrr, we loves da stormy internet seas.

I'd love to have a share of the booty!

FOX_111 March 5th, 2009 09:52

yar har har har... the intarweb is a profitable sea.

Just watched the first 10 minutes.... good stuff already.

Shirley March 5th, 2009 10:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOX_111 (Post 933274)
yar har har har... the intarweb is a profitable sea.

Just watched the first 10 minutes.... good stuff already.

Check out the dude with the AK in there. He's fast.
You're going to want an AR after these DVDs. lol

Ming_the_Merciless March 5th, 2009 15:42

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Originally Posted by Mr.Hitman (Post 933297)
Check out the dude with the AK in there. He's fast.
You're going to want an AR after these DVDs. lol

Why is it they always protray the AK guy as being some "tacticool-mall-ninja"? Anyhow, this is what I thought about after watching the DVDs:

After DVD 1:
- Reconsidered BZO (Battle Zero - Reset to 50 yards)
Using 55 or 62 grain (M193 or M855) less hold overs with a 50m/50yard BZO than a 300 m standard. If I do my part I will be + or - 2" from my POI (Point of Impact) to around 200-250 meters, after that I need to hold over 10" at 300 m, easier to remember.
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...eterzero01.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...ightzero01.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...yardzero01.jpg

- Reconsidered Gear Placement (Indexing From Hip/Belt Primary & Pistol Mags)

- Want SBRs (Short-Barrel-Rifles)
Means I would have to switch to using a 69 to 77 grain (MK262) for better terminal ballistics with regard to fragmentation at lower muzzle velocities inherent with short barrel rifles.

- Reconsidered Absolute-Co-Witness or 1/3 Lower Co-Witness with BUIS
- Need to Test 24 USGI Mags & 30 Pmags for Functionality While Prone (Weapon Resting on Mag)
- Want a BAD (Bolt Assit Device)

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...m/IMG_0817.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...olt-assist.jpg
- Possibly a Blue Force Redi-Mag
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...m/IMG_0813.jpg
- Integrated Knee-Pads are a Must for Some Drills

After DVD 2:
- Ambi Setup (Safety, Charging Handle, Norgon Mag Catch)
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...orum/c7a2e.jpg

- Want Suppressor (Advance Armament M4-3000)
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...m/6864d69f.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...TAForum/19.jpg

- Want Full-Auto Receiver
Hell might as well go for it all, SBR, Suppressor and Full-auto, the most "evil" black rifle...muahawah!

- With an NFA Gun Probably Want a AR Piston as the Base (LWRC, LMT, or Converison)
- Need at Least Soft Armor Plates (Drills on Barricades/Barriers/Steel)
- Maybe Cermanic Plates/Helmet
- Need More .223/5.56 (Get Wolf or Start Reloading)


After DVD 3:
- Need to attend a rigorious carbine/shotgun/pistol course this year (SRT Group - Regina, EAG Tactical - Rogers, Tactical Response - Yeager, Front Sight, etc.)
Last course I took was for my CCL.

- "Two is one and one is none." Two Flashlights
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...m/Slide1-3.jpg

ILLusion March 5th, 2009 16:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ming_the_Merciless (Post 933453)

I believe it's an M4 2000. Not 3000.

http://advanced-armament.com/m4_2000.asp

Shirley March 5th, 2009 16:13

Where the hell do I even find the double flashlight mount like that?

Tex March 5th, 2009 16:17

http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetac...tail.bok?no=22

FOX_111 March 5th, 2009 16:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Hitman (Post 933297)
Check out the dude with the AK in there. He's fast.
You're going to want an AR after these DVDs. lol

I do want a M4 already...
Even if I don't really like M4...
There is so much shit I can put on one and gear to go with it... it would be stupid to ignor it anyfurther...

Ming_the_Merciless March 5th, 2009 16:38

Quote:

Where the hell do I even find the double flashlight mount like that?
I don't know of another manufacturer other than LaRue. It will definitely make the gun more front heavy, but if you plan on getting to or expect to fight in low-light, this is good force multiplier. After looking into the Strategos Int'l stuff, and getting strobed myself, I am convinced I need a light set on high (~200 lumens), nothing higher as it presents self-binding issues as it will illuminate/reflect off the dry wall too, and another set on strobe.


Quote:

I do want a M4 already...
Even if I don't really like M4...
There is so much shit I can put on one and gear to go with it... it would be stupid to ignor it anyfurther...
No kidding, opens a nice door, door to your wallet....

And when you think your finally done, making it tacticool, something always comes along. Your never finished!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILLusion (Post 933464)
I believe it's an M4 2000. Not 3000.

http://advanced-armament.com/m4_2000.asp

Very astute, the images show the 2000. However, I was able to demo the M4 3000 can a few months back when Kansas became an NFA state, well at least thats what the NFA/Class III dealer said it was though it could of been a 2000, he apparently gets to T&E cans along with other NFA items for a living. And if your wondering on a public release date for it, I have no clue.

One of the distinct things I remember, was the lack of back pressure, as many people running cans have the PRI gas buster and this AR didn't. And the second was it seem to damp the muzzle retort more than a 9mm suppressor, Gemtech if I am not mistaken.

ILLusion March 5th, 2009 16:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ming_the_Merciless (Post 933492)
Very astute, the images show the 2000. However, I was able to demo the M4 3000 can a few months back from a NFA/Class III dealer locally, he T&E cans along with other NFA items for a living. However, unsure on the release date for it.

What I was suprised about was the lack of back pressure, as much people running cans have the PRI gas buster.

Interesting. What are the differences between the 2000 and the 3000? (The photos you linked were of the 2000, which is why I corrected.)

Ming_the_Merciless March 5th, 2009 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILLusion (Post 933494)
Interesting. What are the differences between the 2000 and the 3000? (The photos you linked were of the 2000, which is why I corrected.)

Good question, but I have no idea. I am not a "can" guy yet, but I would assume it has better damping characteristics with the geometry/number of baffles within the suppressor, by what percentage of dB its better I can't quantify. However, whats disappointing, at least this is what the dealer told me, was Adanvced Armament sells the suppressor and flashhider separately. Before they came together, so plan on spending an extra $100 to get the adapter for the suppressor :rolleyes:

FOX_111 March 5th, 2009 21:40

Holly shit I just finished the DVD set and I learned so much. Now I need to get some time on the range and practice the drills.

Even for pistols, wich are not covered in lots of details. But I picked up a lot of good tips.

Shirley March 5th, 2009 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOX_111 (Post 933707)
Holly shit I just finished the DVD set and I learned so much. Now I need to get some time on the range and practice the drills.

Even for pistols, wich are not covered in lots of details. But I picked up a lot of good tips.

Not really much about handling recoil on pistols, but it's okay, it's a carbine video anyways.
There's so many little things in there that help you improve so much. Little things like how to hold the verticle grip..

But I caught that Travis was shooting his rifle in prone while his gun rested onto the ground from his magazine. You're not supposed to do that because the magazine might not function correctly or something right?

FOX_111 March 5th, 2009 22:14

He mentionned it in the first DVD. And contradicted himself on the second I think. But the logic in that is not to give a push on the mag so it does not become off center in the magwell. Since his prone position is "perfect", that is, he's not pushing on the rifle, only resting it on the ground, he would probably not induce a malfuction.

As long as the rifle rest on the ground, and not you resting on the rifle. That's my understanding of it.

About the pistol, I liked how he position his hands. His support hand, or reaction hand, like he say, rest very far up the gun, with the thumb pointing toward the target and hugging the base of the slide without touching it. I'm more used to have both hand as close as possible to the pistol grip with both thumbs pointing the target from there. Not so much as resting the whole gun in the support hand like he does. I practiced his technique a bit, and found it heasyer to acquire a firm grip on the pistol, and it's a bit quicker to point on the target.

I can't practice all his rifle drills, as I only have sniper rifles (M24 and L96) and a P90. But some of the stands and transitions can be applyed and adapted. The logic behind it is aplicable to nearly all firearms.

I'm impressed and I will have my teamate watch that DVD and we will incorporate some stuff into our own tactics.

Shirley March 5th, 2009 22:21

There is more to this if you see the class on youtube. There's more about the knee switching when shooting behind the wall.

Ming_the_Merciless March 6th, 2009 10:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Hitman (Post 933715)
Not really much about handling recoil on pistols, but it's okay, it's a carbine video anyways. There's so many little things in there that help you improve so much. Little things like how to hold the verticle grip..

Both instructors adovocate and are seen using the isosceles/modified isoceles opposed to Chapman or weaver stance with regard to pistols. Chris Costa emphasizes also the need to follow through with the shot, feeling the trigger reset opposed to slapping the shit out of the trigger. These fundamentals are often hard to remember when your moving and gunning, shooting around barriers, group/team shooting, but thats why we practice.

For more details about handgun tactics, there is definitely a wealth of information, more so than carbine tactics with respect to physical literature, books, articles, etc. So I foundKyle E. Lamb's Green Eyes Black Rifles great resource to the tac community. Any how here is a good online article detailing the evolution of the combat grip styles/techniques:

http://www.handgunsmag.com/tactics_t...ombatg_100306/

Here are some videos from Springer Precision, they do custom work, great work at that, with the Springfield Armory XDs:
http://www.oregonshooting.com/vids/spgrip1.wmv
http://www.oregonshooting.com/vids/grip2.wmv

The videos give a no BS assesment of the "optimal" grip, shows the mechanics of controling recoil that are critical to consistent hammer drills/control pairs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Hitman
But I caught that Travis was shooting his rifle in prone while his gun rested onto the ground from his magazine. You're not supposed to do that because the magazine might not function correctly or something right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOX_111
He mentionned it in the first DVD. And contradicted himself on the second I think. But the logic in that is not to give a push on the mag so it does not become off center in the magwell. Since his prone position is "perfect", that is, he's not pushing on the rifle, only resting it on the ground, he would probably not induce a malfuction.

As long as the rifle rest on the ground, and not you resting on the rifle. That's my understanding of it.

Well thats close, but not entirely there, I'll explain. As for the contradiction, yes you heard right. Chris Costa contention is don't risk placing your magazine on the ground with the weapon weight resting solely on it, whereas Travis Haley counters that any good functioning magazine will work even with the weapon weight resting on magazine in prone position.

The myth or the justification for not resting the weapon on the magazine in prone is it may induce a failure to feed. This should be a non-issue if your using an AR with a properly spec magwell, along with the use of good quality magazines. However there are occassions where people have magazines that so worn out back from the "Jane-Fonda-Era", and attempt to use them when they should be replaced entirely. Basically the combination of an out of spec mag well, and/or worn magazines can induce failure as the round may hit far too low before reaching the feed ramps.

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d.../m4cuts0xk.jpg

There are two style of feed ramps on ARs, some have rifle cuts other have the M4 cuts. If your gunning full-auto, or use higher grain bullets, then the M4 feed ramps are a must have. That said, I have an AR with just the rifle cuts, and have yet to experience a problem, but I suppose another argument can be made for M4 cuts for those that shoot with the weight resting on the mag.

Moreover, just an FYI, what I especially like about the Pmag, is the tighter tolerances it has opposed to the USGI mags. You'll notice less play within the mag well, whereas with the USGI mags there can be a considerable amount of play, though I have yet to have a failure due to this. However, though the tolerances are higher, this has caused issues with out of spec receivers, not enough bi-leveling, and failures to drop or seed fully. Which is part of the reason for the new "M" Pmag, which I am not entirely as fond of, has the same amount of play as a USGI mag.

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/d...91028stick.jpg

(Third One From The Left)

Supposedly Magpul will phase out the previous mold of the non-window Pmag and use the new "M" Pmag.

Goldman March 11th, 2009 14:23

It will be interesting to see how thigns pan out for Magpul once the fad is over. Anyone (real users) tried using these mags in comparison to the old school Thermo's?

Jar|-|ead March 14th, 2009 19:05

Does anyone what the sling Chris and Travis uses??

KenC March 14th, 2009 19:24

Looked like single point bungees I could be wrong though.

This DVD set is great, I highly recommend it :)

Mr Jon March 14th, 2009 19:26

Its a magpul MS2 sling and ASAP sling plate
http://www.magpul.com/catalog/index....roducts_id=301

Jar|-|ead March 14th, 2009 19:28

On the accessories scene.Its not the MS2 sling.Its the ASAP sling plate though.I may be wrong though.

Blackthorne March 14th, 2009 20:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by REXTER (Post 920749)
Videos are only so good. Nothing will replace good quality hands on training with a thorough, competent instructor.


Amen brother. Especially one who chokes you out on the firing line.

Jar|-|ead March 15th, 2009 01:16

Here are some screenshot of the sling:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...gpulsling1.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...gpulsling2.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c1...gpulsling3.jpg

Need help ident it.

Blackthorne March 15th, 2009 01:25

Looks like a BH Storm

ILLusion March 15th, 2009 19:03

No torrents to pirated materials on asc. Do not even offer it.

Danke March 15th, 2009 19:12

http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwol...l?prodID=26494

Another excuse to put in an order to Redwolf.

Ming_the_Merciless March 15th, 2009 21:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goldman (Post 937729)
It will be interesting to see how thigns pan out for Magpul once the fad is over. Anyone (real users) tried using these mags in comparison to the old school Thermo's?

Oh I doubt the "fad" will ever be over for some die-hard Magpul fans, just like how some shooters get a hard-on from any items that come from Mark LaRue.

As for "Thermo-melts", nope, didn't pull the trigger on those. Glad I didn't. However, what I like about the PMags are the improvements that can be had at a low price, $14.95 USD. A standard aluminum USGI mag ussually runs $12, add in a Magpul Anti-Tilt follower and you now at the same price of an Pmag. This is what makes the Pmags such a great bang for your buck.

Pmags
1.) Constant-curve internal geometry for smooth feeding
2.) Anti-tilt follower for increased reliability
3.) Storage/dust cover - Prevents Feed Lip Creep
4.) Stainless steel spring for corrosion resistance
5.) Textured gripping surface
*MagLevel round indicator windows

Most importantly Magpul has outstanding CS. If you go to ARFCOM, the industry section, they want feedback on failure, on how to improve, and live by the axiom: "innovate or die."

As a note, Magpul has released the new "M" Pmags, which will phase out the molds for the non-window Pmags. The body has a lower profile ridges but slightly increased in surface area, ability to clamp the dust cover on the floor plate, and the internal "wedge" in the front internal section of the mag, that separates the bullet tips, that do not run through the entire vertical length, but end a inch or two from the feed lips. Moreover there is a noticable amount of more play with the M Pmags, to help accomodate an out of spec magwell. I am not 100% sure, but it seems to me the spring tension is less, it definitely isn't stainless steel, looks more like a chrome-silicon spring that is able to take repeated cycling fatigue, though a stainless is less likely to take a set. I personally prefer the previous Pmag Maglevel body non-window, opposed to the new M Pmag, but oh well, Magpul got to meet this HUGE demand. I've also read they are now one of the largest AR15 magazine manufacturer.

They can be pretty difficult to find, at the right price, some people are taking advantage of the political situation and marking up the magazines to absurd amounts. But that in a nutshell is the Pmag.

Here are some videos testing it well beyond it's normal operating regime/intent:
YouTube - Magpul PMag versus a Chevy Truck
YouTube - P-Mag Test
YouTube - PMAG TEST

stokes March 16th, 2009 23:36

Does anyone know what type of magazine pouch mark has on the side of his belt throughout the first dvd?


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