KWA M9 PTP review/pictures
 

Hi guys, as you know already from my mopic review, I received this KWA M9 PTP. There is already an excellent review of this airsoft here on this forum, but a new one could be refreshing. My last GBB was a KJW M9 Elite IA so I will compare both, even if it is been more then 2 years since I sold this one.

The box is beautiful, it comes with cheap .2g bbs, hop up key and silicone oil, wich surprised me. What surprised me more, is the emptiness of loading rod... must load the magazine by hand, wich is long. Anyway.

The gun is very heavy, around 1.1 kg and the weight is well distributed, even without the mag. The KJW version had a bad ratle when the magazine was in, this one doesn't ratle at all and feel stronger then the KJW one.

On apparence, the gun is empy of any brand and marking, wich I founded cool on the KJW one, even with his fake product number. But it is only blingness factor anyway.

The gun come with a plastic outer barrel with a orange painted nozzle, wich I painted back in black.

There is 3 distincs with dots on the sights to help accuracy. The power seem stronger then the 330fps KJW, wich is normal since it is rated at 360fps. The blowback is strong and crisp.

In conclusion, the quality is nice, all metal (almost) constructed, easy hop up adjusting, strong and accurate, so a good buy :)

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how are the groupings and arnt theys ksc compatible? also do you find the kick harder than the kjw my kjw i have a 150 hammer spring and it kicks hard how's this thing stock. also forgot to add is the mag catch plastic or metal???

I didn't do grouping test yet and I read that KWA are clone of KSC and KJW are clone of Marui. I had a home made mofidy hammer spring on my KJW and both are equal, both have strong kicks. I will chek for the mag catch and I'll answer back.

Also forgot to mention, for people experiences with this new version of the KWA M9, a list of compatible upgrades would be great:

high flow valve
enchanced recoil and hammer spring
6.01 thigh bore

The mag catch is metal. Everything on these are metal except for the outter barrel and the grips.
In terms of the groupings, I haven't actually done any testing, but using 0.20s gets you about the same range as 300 fps AEG with a poor grouping (about 2 hits on a 1 foot target at 120 feet out of 10 shots). However, using 0.30 weight BBs resulted in a marginally shorter overall range, but drastically improved the ballistics and over all accuracy.

Any of the parts for the KWA PTP M9 are compatable with the KWA M9 "Heavy", which are the available upgrades for the KWA M9. The only thing that isn't compatable are the mags.

In either case there are no upgrades available for the M9 PTP (as KWA has thrown the best of what the have into it)....so there is no point in installing an enhanced hammer or recoil spring, and it already has their high flow valve. Though a 6.01 TN barrel would be nice to see.


SHA DO

hows the recoil? i have the p226 PTP and the recoil isn't what i hoped for. i am saving up for my m9 ptp.

I wouldn't say it kicks like a mule or anything as such, but it is fast, crisp, and strong compaired to any other unmodded pistol.
I'm very pleased with the one I got last season, and it has served me well. Though I have not handled a p226 in the PTP version...I knew better than to get one.

SHA DO

Didn't realse there was already an high flow maybe this is the difference of 30 fps between KJW one and this one. I guess the blow back isn't as hard as the Desert Eagle hard kick. I wish there would be a full metal version with 8mm bbs ^^

LOL....absolutely right, 8mm BBs rule.

SHA DO

I don't know why they don't make this kind of models. I think there is some Python Revolver with 8mm bbs

Yes they do.

My Marushin Colt Constrictor Loves them.

Where did you buy it? Would love a 44 magnum with the 8 inch canon :)

I own one of these as well and they are by far better than any stock GBB made today. As far as I know they were initially made for Police & Military training. The only down side is that the magazines are more expensive than regular GBB Magazines.

I know they have ohters BGG with the "PTP". I does feel sturdy and stronger ^^

Here is a little video I did with my need Canon Powershot. Light is bad since it is my first try but you can have a look of the M9 firing :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95t0i...&feature=email

Steel frame? I highly doubt that.

All I can tell you is that the gun is full metal except the outer barrel ;)

2 shots on my chrono:

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Just thought I'd add that KWA is not a clone of KSC. KSC and KWA are the same company. they use different names for different import/export markets.

Ok thank you for the info ^^

KWA and KSC are basically the same thing. KSC is made in Japan and guns are all plastic and have full trades. KWA are made in Taiwan (I believe), and usually have trade-less metal slides instead. KJW and TM M9s aren't compatible. The odd part here and there may compatible, but for the most part, they're not. I can tell you for a fact TM mags don't work in a KJW.

As for the PTP, it's not your standard KSC / KWA fare. It's unique and to the best of my knowledge, not compatible (at least for the most part) with standard KSC / KWA mags and parts.

That's rather odd as my old KJW worked perfectly with TM mags. However, it was so old that it had a fixed hop instead of an adjustable one.

My KJW is a recent model bought just over a year ago. I bought a TM M9 mag to try out, hoping to replace the chronically leaky KJW mags. No go. Had someone else lend me a TM mag to try out, and it doesn't work either. The TM mag is about 1.5mm shorter than the KJW mag. It will lock into the gun, but firing doesn't activate the valve. Now, I've been told that the TM extended mags DO work in a KJW though. I've not tested this myself.

Kwa ptp m9 - defective mags
 

The KWA m9 PTP is DEFECTIVE for this reason:

The Mags are all weak in as far as the thin rails that hold the mag base plate onto the mag. These two micro thin ridges are all that hold the plate onto the mag. These edges are very small and snap off with very little use. After less than 1 hour of basic practice on one and less than 10 reloads on both others, all three mags have failed in exactly the same place. Once the plate falls off the mag will become stuck in the magwell to the point where a tool must be used to dislodge it and remove it from the pistol.

Now this is just target practice, no speed reloads combat based scenarios or field play. just simple target practice in class.

The Fit and finish of this pistol are very nice but this one weakness will very quickly render your expensive "training" pistol inopperable.

As much as I need this pistol to work specifically for training. It is completely unreliable as it is. Until an after market mag or some retooling of the current mags (small screw on the bottom to screw the plate directly to the mag would do it) it is an extremely unreliable training aid.

Word to the wise.

I bought one of these earlier this summer with 3 mags from the classified section. The very same issue that nomadtv is reffering to has happened to 2 of my mags thus rendering them useless. Don't get me wrong, I love this gbb to death, maybe a little more so than my 226 but I have had trouble procuring replacement mags as they must be the KWA PTP mags... does anyone happen to know where I can get some replacements at a reasonable cost?

Thanks

If you've still got those chronically leaking KJW M9 mags, I'll take them off your hands :D

I am going to buy a TM extended mag for my KJW M9 in a short while, I'll confirm if they work or now.

KSC/KWA is definitely their own design and nothing at all like the TM. Absolutely not a clone.

Regarding the thinness of the material under where the two pins go on KSC/KWA models, that is a design problem that definitely needs to be addressed. Their USP is like that too but it doesn't fail in this manner.

Lucky I guess
 

I have had two KWA PTP M9s now for just over a year, one for field work, while the other is a collection piece. I also posses a total of eight mags for my field piece, and none have failed out side of one defective valve. However, my brother owns a PTP M9 as well and one of his four mags has suffered from this poor bottom plate fin design. But even so, one out of twelve is not acceptable considering the quality expected for a "professional training" item.

But on the plus side, I have fired over 1500 shot through my PTP with no mechanical failure, and I mean I abuse my field PTP. After the first six months I had an incident where the PTP fell out of the holster and hit hard on a gravel drive, resulting in a piece of the breach (gas block) falling out (one of the guide "arms" broke off). Even so, the PTP continued to preform exceptionally well until around 1200 rounds, when I had to tighten up the plunger head in the gas cylinder, and the hop up started to wear.
I am actually just in the process on changing out the breach for the new one.

The replacement breach cost $14 USD, and the hop up rubber cost $10 USD....direct from KWA USA.

So considering the abuse I run my field piece through, for a measly $24 USD a year, I'm not going to complain.

SHA DO

Hi guy's

I was wondering where did you all bought your Kwa m9?? Any web site in particular? Because I am having an hard time finding a canadian website that sell it...

Thanks

I bought mine on Mopic website... a lot of years ago lol