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Drache August 28th, 2008 21:34

I think I cooked my battery!
 
Well I just got the SAM-R back today and I wanted to charge the battery so I could test the gun with the new mags. I plugged the battery into my smart charger (which Ive NEVER had a problem with, if fact I charged the battery 3 days before sending the gun off to be fixed) and left it. When the battery is charged the light turns green and the charger stops charging.

It usually takes anywhere from 30 minutes to 1 hour to charge. I kept checking on and and checking on it and finally at the hour and a half mark the light was STILL red and my battery was HOT! Usually my battery gets a little on the warm side but never this hot!

Im still waiting for it to cool down at the moment. http://www.airsoftcanada.com/images/...n_banghead.gif

Dusti69 August 28th, 2008 21:38

aah.... i forgot to unplug one of my batteries the other night. its was pretty hot.
i usually take them off the charger as soon as they start to get warm.
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Drache August 28th, 2008 21:39

this is hot to the point that you dont dare pick it up... I had to get an oven mitt just to move it outside incase it explodes....

Dusti69 August 28th, 2008 21:41

ever have one start melting in your hand when you plugged it in your gun? thats hot

Skladfin August 28th, 2008 21:44

battery works better when its hot.

i only used about 200 rounds with that battery, so I think you over charged it LOL.

because you charged it when it was still pretty much full.

the best time to plug off the battery is when it starts warming up, doesnt matter what ur charger says, if it starts warming up, its starting to overcharge.

Styrak August 28th, 2008 21:47

Maybe your charger isn't good enough to peak detect your battery?

Drache August 28th, 2008 21:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Styrak (Post 806099)
Maybe your charger isn't good enough to peak detect your battery?

Its never had a problem before. Oh well gun works, my new mags dont.... http://www.airsoftcanada.com/images/...n_banghead.gif

Shirley August 28th, 2008 21:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drache (Post 806104)
Its never had a problem before. Oh well gun works, my new mags dont.... http://www.airsoftcanada.com/images/...n_banghead.gif

What hop up and mags are you using?

Drache August 28th, 2008 22:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Hitman (Post 806107)
What hop up and mags are you using?

Its not a hopup problem it's a mag/body issue! They are Dboys VN mags which sadly worked perfectly with my stock TM but they wont work with my G&P unless I push them hard up into the gun.

Shirley August 28th, 2008 22:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drache (Post 806118)
Its not a hopup problem it's a mag/body issue! They are Dboys VN mags which sadly worked perfectly with my stock TM but they wont work with my G&P unless I push them hard up into the gun.

Weird, it's your G&P magwell than. If it works with your TM, than it's the magwell of the G&P.
Hm, try silicone oil and slide it in and out, lube it up. If not, you'd need to sand down in your magwell.

Styrak August 28th, 2008 22:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Hitman (Post 806121)
Weird, it's your G&P magwell than. If it works with your TM, than it's the magwell of the G&P.
Hm, try silicone oil and slide it in and out, lube it up. If not, you'd need to sand down in your magwell.

Don't sand down the magwell just yet. I have King Arms 68 round metal mags, and they didn't feed properly in my G&P metal body. You had to push them up just like your situation Drache.

I had to file down the BB retainer in the mags, as the hopup was not pushing it out of the way far enough.

So yes, it is a hopup issue as far as I could say.

Drache August 28th, 2008 22:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Hitman (Post 806121)
Weird, it's your G&P magwell than. If it works with your TM, than it's the magwell of the G&P.
Hm, try silicone oil and slide it in and out, lube it up. If not, you'd need to sand down in your magwell.

I already said it was the gun itself....

Lubing isnt going to sit the mags higher in the gun and neither will sanding. It means the hole in the side of the mags sit to high. Meaning sell the mags and buy TM mags which work without problems.

Drache August 28th, 2008 22:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Styrak (Post 806123)
Don't sand down the magwell just yet. I have King Arms 68 round metal mags, and they didn't feed properly in my G&P metal body. You had to push them up just like your situation Drache.

I had to file down the BB retainer in the mags, as the hopup was not pushing it out of the way far enough.

So yes, it is a hopup issue as far as I could say.

Im just going to dump these dboy mags as well as the G&P mag and just pick up TM mags since they work without problems.

Dusti69 August 28th, 2008 22:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Hitman (Post 806121)
Hm, try silicone oil and slide it in and out, lube it up..

oh baby

demco11 August 28th, 2008 22:22

Always check on your battery while its charging, I do every 20 - 30 minutes.
Also you want to stop once its "warm to the touch" thats when your battery is done charging.

What kind of "smart charger" is it?
I use a TLP 4000 and it beeps every few seconds when the battery is just warm to the touch and done.

Syn August 28th, 2008 22:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by demco11 (Post 806134)
Always check on your battery while its charging, I do every 20 - 30 minutes.
Also you want to stop once its "warm to the touch" thats when your battery is done charging.

What kind of "smart charger" is it?
I use a TLP 4000 and it beeps every few seconds when the battery is just warm to the touch and done.

wait wat? I have the LCD version of that charger. So the beeps mean the battery is done charging, Because I let the batteries get hot to the touch and the mah reach around 1500 Mah on the lcd screen. Is that bad? I use the slow charge.

Styrak August 28th, 2008 23:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syn (Post 806144)
wait wat? I have the LCD version of that charger. So the beeps mean the battery is done charging, Because I let the batteries get hot to the touch and the mah reach around 1500 Mah on the lcd screen. Is that bad? I use the slow charge.

Hot is bad. As for the 1500mAh, it depends on what capacity of battery you have.

Syn August 28th, 2008 23:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Styrak (Post 806164)
Hot is bad. As for the 1500mAh, it depends on what capacity of battery you have.

1400mah, usually can get them to 1526 on the lcd. Damm I'm probably degrading their life then.

theshaneler August 28th, 2008 23:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Styrak (Post 806123)
Don't sand down the magwell just yet. I have King Arms 68 round metal mags, and they didn't feed properly in my G&P metal body. You had to push them up just like your situation Drache.

I had to file down the BB retainer in the mags, as the hopup was not pushing it out of the way far enough.

So yes, it is a hopup issue as far as I could say.

odd, KA mags are the only ones that work in my G&P m4. nothing and i mean nothing else feeds!

Styrak August 28th, 2008 23:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syn (Post 806168)
1400mah, usually can get them to 1526 on the lcd. Damm I'm probably degrading their life then.

So you don't use the delta peak detection to stop the charge? Why the hell do you even have a smart charger then?

mcguyver August 28th, 2008 23:48

He may be talking about the charge current when the charger detects peak and shuts down.

My MRC 989 displays the amount of mah during and at the end of the charge cycle.

MadMorbius August 29th, 2008 08:23

I had an Intellipeak charger that went nuts on me, systematically killed all my batteries.

Once the logic gets damaged, it can do all kinds of shitty things to your batts.

Syn August 29th, 2008 08:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Styrak (Post 806177)
So you don't use the delta peak detection to stop the charge? Why the hell do you even have a smart charger then?

If you've got some sort of explanations for the charge types for it, share please.
If I had to buy another charger, I'd buy the $35 smart charger that just shuts off when done. The one I have TLP expro (just checked the model #) is overkill for me and just came with a sheet of paper with writing on it like

"connect battery- slow charge"
"push start button 1 time fast charge, slow charge"
"push start button 2 times fuzzy logic charge (discharge, 2 min slow charge, fast charge, slow charge, bb sound"

I never tried ( or think I stopped doing) the fuzzy logic charge for the Ni-mh battery because I thought discharging is not necessary and/or not good for the battery, so I just do slow charge, or fast then slow charge.

Are you saying I should be doing Fuzzy logic charge?



And is the 3 cycle charge option for trying to revive dead battery?

thanks.


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