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Skladfin August 20th, 2008 16:04

KWA M4A1 S-System In-Depth review
 
REVIEW UPDATED REGULARLY

ROF Tests(All batteries fully charged):

Real Steel: 13 rounds per second, 800rounds per minute.

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Sanyo 8.4v 600mah Nicd Mini Battery - 15 rounds per second - 900rds/min

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Firefox 9.6v 2000mah Nimh Crane Stock Battery - 19 rounds per second - 1140rds/min

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G&P 9.6v 3300mah Nimh Large Battery - 19.6 rounds per second - 1176rds/min

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Morepower LiFEPo4 12.8v 1600mah Battery - 19 rounds per second - 1140rds/min

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Firefox 11.1v 1600mah Lipo battery - 25rounds per second - 1500rds/min

So I finally decided to do a review of the KWA M4A1- S-System after gaming it a total of 6 games.

I've read a couple of other KWA review but they weren't very in-depth and have not used Lipo battery like this SHOULD be used with.

-Hop up unit is NOT TM compatible(i will explain in detail later)
-The inside of the hop up rubber that pushes onto the BB is H-shaped unlike others
-inner barrel is 395mm, not 363
-The sector gear has a sector clip installed to eliminate any BB misfeeding. Even at 30BBs per second.
-Uses 2 piece hop up, there is a reason why they didn't use 1 piece(explain more later)
-Fuse is rated too low for lipo. its rated for only 15A, i reccomend replacing the fuse with 20A or even 25A fuses.
-Many improvements inside the gearbox to make the tuner's life much easier(explain in detail later)



KWA M4A1 on 11.1v Lipo(12C)
The video is NOT to show the accuracy, but showing the rate of fire.
- The grouping is very big because it was VERY hard to control the recoil at 25 of them per second...
- The gun is upgraded, it does not reflect the accuracy of the stock KWA gun.
- The shots are lower than the targer because the Scope was not zeroed.

Jer-Bear August 20th, 2008 16:08

Seeing as how I'm seriously considering the KWA S-system I'll be looking forward to this review.

Skladfin August 20th, 2008 19:45

any more interests?

underground August 20th, 2008 19:57

count me in, I've been wanting to get this for a while. Basically you're paying $50 more for the RIS right?

ShortCut August 20th, 2008 19:58

I'd be interested, for something to read!

Yankee August 20th, 2008 20:50

count me in too

Spawn28 August 20th, 2008 20:55

Just received mine yesterday A freakin Day early sweet.It looks as awsome as i thought, weight is Very nice and with the new King Arms Tromix Shark Muzzle Brake Flashider it is definatly a kick ass lookin gun The LiPO isnt here yet but terry has one that i will probably test it out tonight ill let ya know how that goes.The Trades on the gun are very nicely done Stickers were a pain in the arse to get off the stock flashider was bright orange and apperantly the colour is somehow infused with the steel so stripin it is outa the question supposed to use sandpaper and paint over it......me i just replaced it...LOL. The Sound of this monster is just that a Monstorous with a 8.4 mini cant wait to hear it on a LiPO

So ya im interested in your review as well

KND August 20th, 2008 21:01

Hey ! I don't want to pollute this review, but just want to save people from KWA. I bought an KWA KM4A1 about a month ago and I used 11.1 v Lipo for all the time, It's quite pretty good with Semi but with Auto, never and never use 11.1 v Lipo with Full Auto, It will riped out your gear inside the mechbox, it would be good if you use Lipo under than 11.1 v. It's just advice to my experience with KWA.

Skladfin August 20th, 2008 21:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by KND (Post 800173)
Hey ! I don't want to pollute this review, but just want to save people from KWA. I bought an KWA KM4A1 about a month ago and I used 11.1 v Lipo for all the time, It's quite pretty good with Semi but with Auto, never and never use 11.1 v Lipo with Full Auto, It will riped out your gear inside the mechbox, it would be good if you use Lipo under than 11.1 v. It's just advice to my experience with KWA.

ya it was clearly a lemon, that one doesnt reflect the WHOLE batch. So dont go around saying "Save people from KWA". It's doesnt really sound right when you say "Don't buy a KWA M4, I got one and mine was a lemon, so it didnt work right. If you get one its going to be a lemon too! Even though the lemon rate is like 0.001%!!".

But I actually do feel sorry for you, You must have a Godsend-Luck to get a lemon LOL

in any case Ill have a video posted up soon(shooting with lipo).

review should be done by tomorrow night with full pics.

m!z August 20th, 2008 21:28

cant wait to read the review.

Skladfin August 20th, 2008 22:28

video is up

KWA M4A1 on 11.1v Lipo(12C)

The video is NOT to show the accuracy, but showing the rate of fire.
- The grouping is very big because it was VERY hard to control the recoil at 25 of them per second...
- The gun is upgraded, it does not reflect the accuracy of the stock KWA gun.
- The shots are lower than the targer because the Scope was not zeroed.

Jer-Bear August 21st, 2008 18:30

Can't seem to get the link to work - although several friends are able to watch the vid without issue.

Any chance you might do a writeup Sklad?

Skladfin August 21st, 2008 18:41

ya im doing the write up right now, i got an unexpected shift for tonight for work so I can't finish up the write up till tomorrow

btw the video only shows the rate of fire =\

Dao August 21st, 2008 18:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skladfin (Post 800103)
any more interests?

Count me in too. Very interested on your review Skladfin

pawscal August 22nd, 2008 13:08

nice video, you must have bbs everywhere in your house!

Shrapnel[Op-For] August 22nd, 2008 15:17

edited.

Huron August 22nd, 2008 21:57

Whoa you could go through a Star 30-rounder in one burst! Nice gun :D

Skladfin August 23rd, 2008 23:08

just opened up the gearbox and is taking some pictures

Skladfin August 28th, 2008 11:46

been busy in the past few days, ill get this done.... and post some pics

Styrak August 28th, 2008 17:43

Pretty high ROF.

But why do you say hard to control the recoil? AEG's don't have any.

Skladfin August 28th, 2008 18:01

if you actually fire 25 rounds a second, you'll see what I mean

Dusti69 August 28th, 2008 19:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skladfin (Post 805886)
if you actually fire 25 rounds a second, you'll see what I mean

that must sound like an aeg farting

Skladfin August 29th, 2008 01:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dusti69 (Post 805931)
that must sound like an aeg farting

25farts per second, thats pretty hardcore

grantmac August 29th, 2008 03:08

In all seriousness did it sound like a zipper or fabric ripping? I've noticed that the really high ROF real steel weapons seem to sound like that, at least the ones I've heard (CIWS).

gmds44 August 31st, 2008 21:31

I would like to see the review, im planning on buying one soon! I wanna see if its worth it


thanks!

Spawn28 September 1st, 2008 22:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmds44 (Post 807800)
I would like to see the review, im planning on buying one soon! I wanna see if its worth it


thanks!

its worth it trust me just make sure to change the hopup

Skladfin September 1st, 2008 22:52

i was playing around with it for like 20 hours.

disassembled this gun probably up to 15 times already.

the 2 piece hop up unit is NOT TM compatible. So the TM hop up unit WILL NOT work. The reason being that the stock airseal nozzle has a slot on top of it to give it smoother movement, and the stock KWA hop up unit also has a hollowed out slot for it to move through.

but the TM hop up unit doesnt, so you won't be able to shoot any BBs at all without changing the airseal nozzle.

Lakonian September 1st, 2008 23:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skladfin (Post 805886)
if you actually fire 25 rounds a second, you'll see what I mean

This can only mean one thing..... You need to fire more RS.. ;)

And that KWA looks terribly awesome. How's the metal? Is it shitty KWA pot metal?

lupo September 2nd, 2008 22:59

It should be noted that the gearbox uses 8mm (x4) and 9mm(x2) bearings and they are damn near impossible to find.

Spawn28 September 2nd, 2008 23:19

Well the 8mm are fairly easy but ya good luck finding 9's

gmds44 September 3rd, 2008 19:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spawn28 (Post 808452)
its worth it trust me just make sure to change the hopup

TOO Late! I just bought one :)

ownzyouall September 3rd, 2008 22:56

Yea I got one of these things too. I'm no expert, but lets say if this gun screws up. What other mecboxes will I be able to use with the same recievers? Also what hop-up chamber can I get for it? I can't hink of any other brand that makes a 2 piece hop up chamber.

Jer-Bear September 4th, 2008 14:37

Also would like to know how easy/hard would it be to switch to a battery cranestock/modstock assuming one isn't going li/po with it.

Skladfin September 4th, 2008 15:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by ownzyouall (Post 809782)
Yea I got one of these things too. I'm no expert, but lets say if this gun screws up. What other mecboxes will I be able to use with the same recievers? Also what hop-up chamber can I get for it? I can't hink of any other brand that makes a 2 piece hop up chamber.

I WILL SAY THIS AGAIN

THE HOP UP UNIT IS NOTNOTNOTNOTNOTNOTNOTNOTNOTNOTNOTNOTNOTNOTNOT TM COMPATIBLE

Schwag September 5th, 2008 11:50

If you guys need spare parts for the KWAs, just contact the warstore.
They sell alot of them and even if they don't have the part in stock, they can get it quickly in the u.s. and ship it here cheap.

Spawn28 September 6th, 2008 10:05

Warstore=No KWA parts

and yes my bad about the hopup change nothing is compatible and it will have to be modded to work

Okay i went and bought the 7mm rubber O-rings you mentioned in your PM now what do i do with em?

Skladfin September 6th, 2008 11:54

ill post out the mod around monday.

im not home and cant upload pictures.

ill try my best to use words to describe it...

shave the O-ring really thin... almost 1mm thin.

take your hop up unit and disassemble only the bottom and centre gear.

now put back your centre gear first, but between the centre gear and the hop up unit, put in the O-ring you just shaved.

now screw back the bottom gear. try to make it screw on somewhat tight, too tight will make it impossible to adjust the hop up.

what this mod does is, it creates friction between the hop up unit and centre gear so that it won't back down.


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