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Amos September 19th, 2007 15:14

Custom made Inner Barrels
 
Hey, I remember a while-ago reading about custom made inner barrels..

I'm planning on doing a project where I'd need a 690mm or 750mm M14 inner barrel... (The Longer the better)

If anyone could shed some light on this, please do.

Also; Anyone know a retailer that carries barrel extensions? I've looked on Redwolf and WGC... Just not sure if I've looked in the proper place.

ILLusion September 19th, 2007 17:56

Good luck finding a cylinder that can support that much air volume. You may need to find a way to custom extrude a thin-walled cylinder for that as well... and make a custom piston head, cylinder head and air nozzle to support that as well.

Dynamo September 19th, 2007 19:07

well, is there or is there not a place that can make custom barrels, im looking to get a set with riffling groves cut into them.
(dont even sugest tanio koba barrels, not enough twist)
as to not having the tools to make a 6mm riffled barrel, thats BS, there are RS barrels that fire 6mm rounds http://www.lapua.com/uploads/RTEmagi...Scenar.jpg.jpg

mcguyver September 19th, 2007 19:13

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Originally Posted by Dynamo (Post 539419)
well, is there or is there not a place that can make custom barrels, im looking to get a set with riffling groves cut into them.
(dont even sugest tanio koba barrels, not enough twist)
as to not having the tools to make a 6mm riffled barrel, thats BS, there are RS barrels that fire 6mm rounds http://www.lapua.com/uploads/RTEmagi...Scenar.jpg.jpg

Yes, but you won't find them made out of soft brass. Nor will they be easy to integrate with your hop-up chamber.

There are guys who make custom barrels. One I know of a guy who makes them for PTWs and they are $200+ U.S. each and they are smooth bore. Would you spend that for a $300 U.S. gun?

Amos September 19th, 2007 19:39

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Originally Posted by ILLusion (Post 539383)
Good luck finding a cylinder that can support that much air volume. You may need to find a way to custom extrude a thin-walled cylinder for that as well... and make a custom piston head, cylinder head and air nozzle to support that as well.

A gun with a 450ish fps spring, and systema FTK kit wont be enough?

I need to put more thought into this before I get it rolling... I'm starting way too many projects at once..

CDN_Stalker September 19th, 2007 20:03

Geez, at those lengths you won't need to shoot anyone with the airsoft gun, you'll just need to reach out and (like a long range knife kill) poke them!!!

Good luck with the project, am looking forward to feedback

Dynamo September 19th, 2007 20:12

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Originally Posted by mcguyver (Post 539421)
Yes, but you won't find them made out of soft brass. Nor will they be easy to integrate with your hop-up chamber.

There are guys who make custom barrels. One I know of a guy who makes them for PTWs and they are $200+ U.S. each and they are smooth bore. Would you spend that for a $300 U.S. gun?

#1, i wont need a hop-up if this works.
#2 this isnt for shooting BB, but something else im working on
also, i dont need the barrel to be steel, if this guy you know is willing to make rifling in a normal airsoft 6mm barrel, i'd wouldnt mind blowing 100-200 bones

mateba September 19th, 2007 20:35

Best shot? contact DB customs

ILLusion September 19th, 2007 20:45

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Originally Posted by Amos (Post 539436)
A gun with a 450ish fps spring, and systema FTK kit wont be enough?

If that's the case, then it's even MORE important that you have a higher air volume in your cylinder. Systema Expert FTKs (450+fps) come with bore-up cylinder kits. To be honest, I don't know what the upper limit of existing bore-up cylinders are - as far as I know, they're limited to 650mm, but talk to an custom inner barrel manufacturer that's made them specifically for airsoft and see what their experiences are. If you want to go 690+mm, there may be certain physical limitations that many people aren't aware of because hardly anybody's gone to such extreme lengths. Lead the way, ranger. :)

mcguyver September 19th, 2007 22:03

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Originally Posted by Dynamo (Post 539452)
#1, i wont need a hop-up if this works.
#2 this isnt for shooting BB, but something else im working on
also, i dont need the barrel to be steel, if this guy you know is willing to make rifling in a normal airsoft 6mm barrel, i'd wouldnt mind blowing 100-200 bones

If it's a rifled barrel shooting a projectile (not a BB), it will be classified as a firearm. Be careful where you take this.

Amos September 19th, 2007 22:06

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Originally Posted by ILLusion (Post 539472)
If that's the case, then it's even MORE important that you have a higher air volume in your cylinder. Systema Expert FTKs (450+fps) come with bore-up cylinder kits. To be honest, I don't know what the upper limit of existing bore-up cylinders are - as far as I know, they're limited to 650mm, but talk to an custom inner barrel manufacturer that's made them specifically for airsoft and see what their experiences are. If you want to go 690+fps, there may be certain physical limitations that many people aren't aware of because hardly anybody's gone to such extreme lengths. Lead the way, ranger. :)

Hrrm... I want to be able to play with this gun, and the limit here is 470 on sniper rifles...

I'll have to ask around...

Anyone ever had the ASCer "Damage" do work for them? Apperently he's able to help me out on this one... And I want to get feedback before I invest my money.. (I'm in first year university.. so I don't have alot of that to spare.)

Does Systema even make FTK's for the M14 (V7)?

And.. Anyone know a place where I can look at barrel extentions? I really don't like the look of silencers..

ILLusion September 20th, 2007 01:52

My apologies, when I said "690+fps", I meant "690+mm".

And no, Systema does not have an M14 FTK yet.

As for barrel extensions, all you need is any outer barrel that takes in a 14mm thread and has a 14mm thread on the other end.

Guarder makes a lot of these. If you gave more direction as to what it was that you wanted, I could point you the right way.

Something like this:

http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...=GD-ACC-M1604B
or
http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...STAR-ACC-G3607

Although, I'm not too positive on how that latter one mounts.

Dynamo September 20th, 2007 01:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcguyver (Post 539530)
If it's a rifled barrel shooting a projectile (not a BB), it will be classified as a firearm. Be careful where you take this.

lol that wouldnt make it a firearm.
if that was the case, most all crossman (shiver >_<) airrifles would be considered firearms.
the projectiles i plan on using with the barrel is safer then an airsoft BB.
there are many factors that go into labling something a firearm, projectile volocity, energy on impact, and meathod of operation to name a few.

mcguyver September 20th, 2007 09:30

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Originally Posted by Dynamo (Post 539677)
lol that wouldnt make it a firearm.
if that was the case, most all crossman (shiver >_<) airrifles would be considered firearms.
the projectiles i plan on using with the barrel is safer then an airsoft BB.
there are many factors that go into labling something a firearm, projectile volocity, energy on impact, and meathod of operation to name a few.

Yes, I'm well aware of muzzle energy and velocity, more than you know. However, tradititonally, smooth-bore guns have been overlooked in many aspects of the law. Add rifling and you take your gun into the realm of regulated firearms (shotguns excepted). Most guys, even experts, who look at it will not care about velocity right off the bat, but will see rifling and go from there. I mean, who's going to make you a rifled barrel? A gunsmith? He has laws he must follow as well that everything to do with the barrel and nothing to do with the gun it goes into. This is where it can get sticky.

Besides, you can't have "safer than airsoft BBs" and still make it fly any distance with any accuracy. Only softer makes it safer and that's just a waste of time. Pellets are softer than BBs, but in order for them to be of any use, they must fly faster and be heavier. So really they are, in fact, more dangerous.

But if you have some magical idea that will revolutionize airsoft, go ahead and build it. Many others have been down that road and it's all talk (nothing has ever been built).

Amos September 20th, 2007 09:49

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Originally Posted by ILLusion (Post 539675)
My apologies, when I said "690+fps", I meant "690+mm".

And no, Systema does not have an M14 FTK yet.

As for barrel extensions, all you need is any outer barrel that takes in a 14mm thread and has a 14mm thread on the other end.

Guarder makes a lot of these. If you gave more direction as to what it was that you wanted, I could point you the right way.

Something like this:

http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...=GD-ACC-M1604B
or
http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...STAR-ACC-G3607

Although, I'm not too positive on how that latter one mounts.

I've seen some one with a barrel extention like what you've descrived, but its fluted... I kinda like the look of that... And.. If it would match the M14's outer barrel well enough.. That'd be preffered.. If not, I'll throw some camo-net over my gun to hide the different outter barrel thicknesses.

http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...el%20for%20AEG

Something like that'd be perfect (if one side is 14mm- female, and the other 14mm- male)... But it says "stop order"... not too sure what that means.

huang September 20th, 2007 10:15

I think I have the outer barrel. I am currently selling them with the bushmaster front set.
http://www.dragonredairsoft.com/airs...ges/bm1800.gif

And I can get you the custom inner barrel if you like.



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Originally Posted by Amos (Post 539763)
I've seen some one with a barrel extention like what you've descrived, but its fluted... I kinda like the look of that... And.. If it would match the M14's outer barrel well enough.. That'd be preffered.. If not, I'll throw some camo-net over my gun to hide the different outter barrel thicknesses.

http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...el%20for%20AEG

Something like that'd be perfect (if one side is 14mm- female, and the other 14mm- male)... But it says "stop order"... not too sure what that means.


Amos September 20th, 2007 10:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by huang (Post 539774)
I think I have the outer barrel. I am currently selling them with the bushmaster front set.
http://www.dragonredairsoft.com/airs...ges/bm1800.gif

And I can get you the custom inner barrel if you like.

Well, I'm not gonna buy a whole bushmaster fron set only for the fluted outter barrel..

And... I'm kinda.. weiry about the custom made barrel... I'd like a company that I know makes very good barrels... (Prometheus, PDI, SystemA).. But if anyone else on ASC has experience getting custom barrels made... Please do speak up.

huang September 20th, 2007 10:39

You can have the outer barrel itself for CND28 plus shipping. But not sure if it is exactly what you want.

ILLusion September 20th, 2007 10:49

"Stop Order" means it's discontinued from WGC's catalogue.

Amos September 20th, 2007 11:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by huang (Post 539790)
You can have the outer barrel itself for CND28 plus shipping. But not sure if it is exactly what you want.

It doesn't look like it has the 14mm- threading on the end like what I want..

Do you have any contacts that could make me

http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...el%20for%20AEG

This thing 240mm long?
14mm- male 14mm- female
[]============[

(TM threading is 14mm- correct?)

huang September 20th, 2007 11:39

No, I can only get flauted one for now. But I can confirm if the flauted one has 14mm-threading. It should have a CW 14mm threading.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amos (Post 539829)
It doesn't look like it has the 14mm- threading on the end like what I want..

Do you have any contacts that could make me

http://www.wgcshop.com/pcart/shopper...el%20for%20AEG

This thing 240mm long?
14mm- male 14mm- female
[]============[

(TM threading is 14mm- correct?)


Amos September 20th, 2007 11:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by huang (Post 539837)
No, I can only get flauted one for now. But I can confirm if the flauted one has 14mm-threading. It should have a CW 14mm threading.

Does it have a male and female threading on it? (Can you attach it to an existing barrel, then attach a flash hider onto it?)


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