Question on FPS?
 

I'm in texas right now and i was wondering what your rules are for the maximum fps for standard AEG,Sniper and SAW's?

Typically 400fps for AEGs and 450 for bolt action rifles or modded semi only AEGs set up as marksman guns.

Some fields allow 500fps sniper rifles because it's only a single BB (I laugh at people who bitch and whine about hearing a rifle upgraded to 500fps might be on a field somewhere, even if they are safe within say 80ft, yet they are fine getting shot at by a burst of BBs from a 400fps AEG 30-40ft away.......... retards!) and most well respected snipers won't shoot within a certain distance, 80ft minimum for me, but there have been times I wouldn't take a shot even at 100ft because I felt it wasn't right to. And I played a game last year where the limit for sniper rifles was set at 550fps, so that even included my M700 running propane!

aye, cause here in texas for a standard AEG is allowed 400fps with .20, SAW is 450 with .20 and snipers allowed up to 550 with .20 so just wanted to get a clarification on that. Sempri Fi!

Shouldn't you want your SAW to be lower FPS so you get higher RoF?

you can still get an extreme rate of fire even if it still shoots 450, it all depends on what type of internals you have, I have a friend who has a RPK and can shoot 450 with it and can unload his drum mag that can carry about 7000 rounds in about 30 seconds if he layed on the trigger. trust me higher fps doesn't slow down your ROF if you have great internals.

7000 rounds in 30 seconds? That means the piston has to move back and forth 233 times PER second.

trust me this guy is a genious when i comes to internals and upgrades and what not. He's our team's offical mechanic.

Same thing in Russia. LMGs have higher maximum allowed FPS but thier minimum engament range also differs from a standard AEG.

yeah i think you can't engage no closer that 50 ft. it varies from field to field. also what are your guy's engagment rules?i'm asking all of these questions so when i show up in canada i will have clarification and not seem like i have no clue what i'm doing.

233 rounds per second @450 FPS?

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well maybe its more like in a minute but i'll try to get a video of it and post if for ya'll to see.

Also i want to know what type of uniforms ya'll are wearing?

116.5 rounds per second @450 FPS?

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CADPAT is very popular here, probably the most popular. MARPAT is pretty common too. Woodland, flecturn, and tigerstripe are also seen. There are others as well.

..rofl - damn now I gotta watch it again.

Ill believe a 700 round drum mag i don't even think mini guns shoot that fast

it's a 2000 drum mag, and will about empty it in about 2 minutes, sorry guys, got my facts so wrong it's not even funny. but i will get a video of it and post it to see this beautiful thing at work.

OK, that I believe. My FA-MAS will do that, albeit with a 120% spring @330fps

http://world.guns.ru/machine/minigun-e.htm

up to 6000 rounds per minute for the Vulcan.


Thats 100 rounds a second.

Edit: Yes, a 2000 rounds mag in two minutes make sense. Thats at about 17 rounds a second.

As for dress code, there isn't really one. Wear what you prefer, however there are some games that have requirements and some teams that have camo requirements as well. Really just depends where you are or who you play with.

That sound more like it:rocket:

well me and my team called ATF wear marpat.

Er, that doesn't make a lot of sense. A SAW these days is set up quite similar to an AEG. For instance the most popular SAWs you'll see here are the CA and Star 249's. I don't know why you'd want them to be any different from a standard AEG. Perhaps the older TOP and Asahi 249's might have different limits due to using an odd mechbox.
ROF shouldn't be huge on a SAW either. They're a support weapon, and sustained fire is their thing. It's hard to do if you've puked all your ammo away in a pretty string of BBs that resembles a laser beam.

Not to take anything away from Greylocks, but I'm sure you know about the rules about bringing airsoft into Canada? ;)

what are the rules, and the RPK that he has is made to supress fire, he doesn't waste his bb's. He has pretty much made his RPK from the ground up so its sings. The way I see it, if you have a certian amount of FPS your allowed to use, why not use it to your full potential?

..AND, we're BACK.

Its FLECKTARN. Also, any type of BDU's that you want you can wear. I have seen various types of Russian, DPM, multicam, plan old OD, 3 colour desert, 6 colour desert (aka chocolate chip), a mix of anything, etc, etc, etc. Hell at my season closer there was even someone wearing blue jeans and a T-shirt.

canuck31, the rules are: you cannot bring airsoft guns to Canada without proper licence. So if you will be coming over, leave your guns at home. You can take accessories such as rails, stocks etc. You can probably even bring in entire mechbox but something like a receiver or a pistol frame/slide is a no go. It will be seized.

thanks for the heads up cause i was going to bring my m14 with me.

Cool, Walmart up here sells all kinds of MARPAT clothing and BDUs.

The team we played against at the last game had a nicely upgraded SAW... the thing hurt like a bitch when 10-20 shots hit bare skin at 25-30ft :p

YAY!! hey where in texas do u play cuz i cant find any fields where people play airsoft regularly??

oh and most fields use hte one joule rule which is about 325 i think

This is the Airsoft Canada forum. Look on the American forums for information on American fields.

It seems,depending on the area you live in makes a difference on the fps,ie. there is a group here that want the fps limits of LMG(249's & so on!) too only shoot 350 fps while AR's,AK's &so on are allowed 400fps and Sniper units I belive was 460 fps with.20's.The LMG limit kinda doesent make any sence to me as they use the same gear box (ie.G&P anyway!).So seems to be the area you live in.Cheers!

I figured i would just ask seeing as how it was already posted that he played in texas and i did post info so BOO YAA lol

the LMG limit was only brought in because there are people that bought the 249 just so they could get around our ammo restrictions and were using it irresponsibly and in an un-milsim like fashion. These people have the wrong mindset for the game and its pissing us all off. There's other reasons we wanted them deterred from MAA games, but I won't go into that.

I own 2 LMG's, my G&P 249 will need about 200$ worth of parts to downgrade it to a reliable gun at 350 fps, yet i'm a firm supporter of this new rule.

Wow how do youuse an LMG irresposibly? Just woundering as it's a support weapon right? The operator still has too maneuver this monster witch is no easy task in it's self,leaving the operator as some what of a sitting duck lol.Just a question,why would you want to deter people from joining such a great Hobbie/sport?Should we not just be trying to have a goodtime and have some fun.Trying to deter individuals and not others seems like an elitist attitude and just take the fun out of the whole game leaving less members over all.Don't we all just want some fresh meat to shoot at lol.As far as rules in war,their are no rules in war lol! But thats just my opinion,Cheers!

they have their own field they can play at, as well as other people they play with, they can have their own league.
They weren't using the gun for it's intended purpose, nor did they intend to, they only bought them to get around our ammo restrictions.
And like I said, there are other reasons they were deterred from us, but i won't go into that.

Thats fair if thats what you belive,unless they told you direct that that was the reasone they bought it(thats different!).For me it's all for a goodtime,seeing this kind of stuff happing makes me what to get out of the Hobbie/sport(not going to happen thow lol!).Cheers!

Ok, im kind of lost. If some people are trying to get around ammo restrictions i dont see how lowering the FPS to 350 for a certain type of gun is going to penalize someone. sounds like someone got hurt, and yeah it can happen, maybe 350-380 should be the limit for ALL guns?

I do believe there should be a limit on FPS so people dont get hurt in the sport. 350 ? 400? whatever the number is, as long as all guns are shooting the same no matter what kind of gun it is.

Why does a sniper gets to shoot 460? cause he only has 1 shot? he is the most covert guy on the field and usually with another set of eyes, he doesnt need to be shoot any harder.

If someone is camped out in a bunker or ditch someplace with a pile of ammo and a LMG i adjust my tactics and hopefully it makes me a better player. To me its about the challenge and more realistic.

Just my 2 cents..

Later guys

you missed the point lol
all this group of people wanted was to have a 399fps gun with a box mag, we lowered the limit to 350, now they dont play with us, problem solved.
They werent focusing on tactics at all, only to have more ammo than anyone else and just starve us out. Although this happens in real warfare, its not fun when it happens EVERY game. Not to mention with an LMG shooting 400fps, we would just wait for them to break down then assault.
and ive got two LMGs, you dont need to be shooting above 350 to do your part ;)

An LMG shooting 399fps is a little high IMO. It makes sense for rifles that will only hit you maybe 3-5 times a burst, but for guns who's purpose is to hose ammo, I think it's excessive.

Yes it may seem high,but it's no different than an AR or AK as your not going to get hit from every BB in that burst.What I meen is say you fire for one second and your units rof is 14 a sec. not all 14 rnd's are going to hit the target,maybe 4-5.As for it shooting 399,alot of stock G&P M-249s were shooting over the 400 mark.I lowered mine with a little bit of playing around with out replacing parts to 382 fps,yes the G&P's are hot and I know of guys with CA's shooting the same with some T.L.C lol. It's not that the guys with G&P's mod'ed them to that level,they were already there from the factory.Cheers!

Mine's around 380-390. I do hose quite a bit, but it's to keep the opposition's head down while my teammates flank them.
I don't get the drop in FPS. If there's an ammo problem, just get more SAWs for your team.

Don't know much bout Lmg's, but i can see what he's talking bout. Im new to Airsoft, but ran into similar situations with paint ball, having a team camp out with a Metric ton of ammo aint fun.

Does that meen that if your not playing thoes you wish too exclude in a game there not at, the FPS goes back up to 400fps lol!

Same applies for airsoft. The last game I played at Wasaga the other team was using all highcaps with 2 support weapons on an 8 man team. I know only 5 of the 6 of us on our team had a highcap, and I think the 5 of us only had 1 each. It really wasn't evenly matched. It was still fun, but got a little annoying at times when you came under fire from a SAW that could hose BBs at you for 5 minutes streight.

I don't think the box on the Saw would have held ammo for a five min. spree,mine lasts for far less than a min. and mine only does 14 rnds a second lol,just fun'n with ya,Cheers!

Well, of course that was an exaggeration, but you get the idea.

Well, of course that was an exaggeration, but you get the idea.
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Yeh I know I was just have'n some fun with ya,Nothing ment by it lol,Cheers!

i beg to differ, i've seen first hand someone firing their M249 WHILE pouring BBs into their box mag. F*cking gay if you ask me, I love stopping to reload, makes it more challenging.

+1.

Think about it.

With a LMG you've got no choice but to hose full auto... and with that rate of fire each little shot shoots (estimated) 6 or 7

With a AEG you can chose either semi or auto, But the ROF is substantially lower. I know with my M16 when I'm in auto I can fire a single shot with a slight trigger pull...

IMO the 350 Limit is a smart move. No one wants to be hosed down by multiple LMG's when just one BB would do it.

To quote our former m60 gunner:

"LMG gunners don't get kills, they keep the enemy's heads down so that the rifleman can kill them."

These individuals bought LMG's so they would never have to let go the trigger during the course of a fire fight. It's extremely annoying to get killed because when you yelled at your LMG for suppressing fire he ran away because he's trying to use a machine gun like a flame thrower!

I know LMGs hose full auto, but even real ones don't lay on the fire constantly without stopping for cooling or reloading for minutes on end.

Think about it.

With a LMG you've got no choice but to hose full auto... and with that rate of fire each little shot shoots (estimated) 6 or 7

With a AEG you can chose either semi or auto, But the ROF is substantially lower. I know with my M16 when I'm in auto I can fire a single shot with a slight trigger pull...

IMO the 350 Limit is a smart move. No one wants to be hosed down by multiple LMG's when just one BB would do it.
I'v had my G&P 249 chron'd at X.T. and it shoot 382 fps at 14 rnds a sec.and my G&P M4SO did 367 fps at 19 rnds a sec so clearly the M4SO had better ROF.We just played a games Sunday with four LMG's and my self being one of them wheilding one of them around was no easy task and became a freek'n taget to be take'n out as soon as we started firing,we were take'n out just like anybody else! Ower guy's had the tactics too take out LMG operators with out a glitch,everyone had a blast noone had any prob.'s

If firing 350 or 400 fps, LMG’s can be taken out. Did it twice this past weekend with my little stock CA MP5A3 which only fires at 305 fps. Just my 2 cents worth, its all down the players who use them and the players who go against them.

Lets all just have fun out there.

Awww his gun looks bigger than mine :(. WAIT! Let's limit his more than mine!



AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA :duke: 1337R than thou!

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Like Gren said, just cause the gun has a high FPS doesn't mean it can not be taking out. My bolt action has a HIGH FPS but it gets taken out easily if someone can spray down the area I am in before I can reload to shoot the second person. That's why snipers hide and take longer shots. The LMG will have the same purpose in airsoft as it does in real life tactics, hose the shit out of everything. Yes you have to stop and let the barrel cool, yes you'd have to stop and reload ((Yeah I don't like the idea of someone pouring BB's in as they load either but anyway)). The point to the gun is to keep heads down, as stated several times. And what keeps heads down better than a big wall of flying shit that is just cutting everything down?

*shrug* I never said they couldn't be taken out. Hell, I mercied a SAW gunner a couple of games ago while he was hoseing. Just offering my $0.02

I hit a button and it deleted what I was writing so I'll just summarize it;
People who really want to be LMG gunners, will adapt to the new rules
People who want uber guns with lots of ammo, will buy a different gun or go play on a field not under MAA rules and regs.
It's just the fact they bought the gun to get around ammo restrictions with no intention of ever using is as a support or assault weapon.

In a way it's helping everybody, since everyone who bought an M249 for a non-milsim reason has a field to play at where they are welcome, and the MAA can stay milsim

Restrict the numbers, not the gun.

IE. Instead of restricting what you can do with the gun, restrict it so that a team needs 10 players to have one LMG gunner. Since an M249 is essentially the same as an M16, seeing as they use the same ammo, they should have the same restrictions on the field. But if you limit only one M249 to every 10 people you'll have one person who'll get told to act like support for his buddies as the other 9 will be counting on him to do just that.

Ammo limit rules can be changed too. Make it one box-mag and the rest of the ammo they carry is to supply team mate guns not their own. If I saw a guy loading up a M249 in the field, I'd see it as the same as a guy loading up an M4 mag when they have 300 round limits. If the teams have to return to base to reload, then they can return to their support gunner, get ammo off him until his limit runs out too. Then everyone's on limited ammo and has to conserve and retreat to base for re-supply.



I just don't see justification why one gun should not be able to use the same upgrades ((with in safe measure of course)) as another that is virtually the same, both airsoft and real world weapons.

I hit a button and it deleted what I was writing so I'll just summarize it;
People who really want to be LMG gunners, will adapt to the new rules
People who want uber guns with lots of ammo, will buy a different gun or go play on a field not under MAA rules and regs.
It's just the fact they bought the gun to get around ammo restrictions with no intention of ever using is as a support or assault weapon.

In a way it's helping everybody, since everyone who bought an M249 for a non-milsim reason has a field to play at where they are welcome, and the MAA can stay milsim

I still can't find anybody that has said they just bought these LMG's just too get around ammo rules and it's a pretty dumb reason to buy such a unit in the first place,like I'v said before if they said it to your face that that was the sole reason,there a moron,but if thats an assumption than thats not fair to them! To me it still seems like it was a rule brought in to discriminate against certain people. Alot of the rules I see refering to "Milsim" don't see to relate to the real thing at all,as in War it's "run what you brung" I like to see all the crazy stuff that guys come up with,it keeps things fresh!
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Just to play Devil's Advocate here, does this mean I could crank my sniper rifle up to 600 or 700 fps? Because, you know, milsim being a military simulation, I want the added realism of being able to make a long range shot, just like the real steel counterpart could.

hehehehehehehe if I buy a VFC M82A1, can I crank it up to 1200-1300 FPS? PLEASE! :D

Some were in this post someone mentioned a Sniper shooting an Airsoft unit at 550 or so fps,thats a firearm is it not? Don't get cought with that Beast,thats at the point where your looking to hurt somebody! That should concern us far more than the LMG issue.I know there were certain people that where shooting 470fps.with .20's,but using Alum. BB's.So that might drop it down to 410-420 with Alum.'s,let's just play with BB gun already lol,and they are in the MAA! I'd be pissed if I was rounded with one of thoes lol!

sure, your only hitting me once, I wouldn't mind, but i don't have any sway over sniper rules.
and Dracheous, your point is invalid. There are british 3 man recon teams that consist of a spotter, an M249 and an M240.
I don't care if im fighting a 6 man team of 6 LMGs, so long as they use them in a realistic manner and not as a flamethrower with an ammo hack.

and i keep telling you guys, whats the big deal?? your still shooting 350fps!
I was checking out my friends VSR-11, thing shoots 450 fps, has maybe 2/3 the range of my G3 that shoots a mere 365fps.
I saw two guys with CA M15A4CQB's with stock springs shooting at me at my maximum range with the most incredible grouping i've ever seen.
Your not losing any performance unless you have no idea what your doing when your upgrading.

Exactly. So why bother making the rules different?

Exactly, so if the FPS is still the same all around, then what is the big deal? Why are you going to limit one AEG over an other when in the real world they're using the same round. An M16 will not shoot farther than an M249, because it is the same bullet, just has a tighter grouping((Okay might be some range affected from barrel length)). By the logic you have on MILSIM, we would have to start making FPS limits by caliber the gun imitates.


FPS on the gun isn't where the rules need to be made on Support Weapons, its rules on the use. And as for the VSR versus the G3, many things come into play, the barrel length for one. But since your argument would suggest that FPS and accuracy are not affected by one another, how does the FPS rules really affect the game play on the Support gun? They still have 10,000 rounds to waste on your butt :P.

I think as we try to make Airsoft into a legitimate sport or hobbie we should have the same rules accross Canada on fps,then no matter where you play if you go visit someone at some point and decide to go for a game in that Prov.you don't have to learn new rules,your good to go and if you'v brought your gun's with you you don't have tobe worried about if your unit will be allowed on there gamimg area giving a more positive experience for all travling around Canada,as we can't go stateside and vice versa lol ! I think that'd be away to go,Cheers!

This might be harder to do than you expect. Canada's got all sorts of different terrain that contributes to how the game is played. In BC the local sniper rifle limit is 500 fps. Some say that's high, but at the fields that have this rule there is very little underbrush, so making a long shot is much easier to do. Here in Ontario I had to crank my gun down to 450, as there's more brush and less chance of making a long shot. And trust me, the 50 fps makes a huge difference when you're trying for a one shot kill with a heavy BB.

Hey Ibby,I don't dissagree in the least,But the whole going to 500 plus to me is alittle much as it now would become something you have to register as a Firearm would it not,I just don't think we need to fight with authorities anymore than we already have too lol.I completly understand,yes the extra 50 fps does make a huge difference at long rang! Not to gain distance,but with all the gear we wear when we play it's hard to feel a hit at long rang with a stock TM or CA.I know theres been times I'v had to wait and hear if it hit me as I don't alway's feel it if I get shot on a thicker part of the vest! As far as we'v seen playing here,400 fps is more than enough to play with,without seriously hurtting someone.Thats my personal "Big thing" I don't want people to get hurt and say well we'll never play that agin lol.Theres has to be a common ground to work on don't ya think,Cheers man!

no

No! No disrespect,But could you elaborate alittle on this as thats what I'v seen floatting around regarding this (info wise I meen!),Please &thanks!

i think firearm was 550, and in BC it makes sense since your engagement range is usually your maximum range.

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthr...ps+legal+limit

It's been asked...ALOT....hence my short answer. That said, for snipers....500fps is a good start. A sniper should have a distinct distance advantage IMO or the person is just a handicapped rifleman.

Our field allows over 500fps guns but we only allow those players we trust to use such.

It's been asked...ALOT....hence my short answer. That said, for snipers....500fps is a good start. A sniper should have a distinct distance advantage IMO or the person is just a handicapped rifleman.

Our field allows over 500fps guns but we only allow those players we trust to use such.
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Thanks! it still seems in that some what "Grey" area to me,like spliting hairs! What I meen is that the Law being talked about are for more like typical Firearms that "Joe blow" is use to seeing,but as soo as you cross the whole Prohibited devices arena that seems alittle,um eek,lol! It might be enough for them just to charge you anyway lol.I might just ask my Wife and see if she can find that out at her work (Manitoba Prosecutions) we'll see,i don't want to shine any negative light on the Hobbie/sport if I don't have to draw any attention to it.But I do thank you for the reply,Cheers!

No, you wouldn't. There's 2 parts to that ruling. The part most folks don't get is that the projectile must carry a certain energy. Airsoft BBs don't come close to the requirement, so there's no registration necessary.

*edit: Crap, for some reason my browser didn't show the other responses. Oh well. Time for a new computer.

Thats cool thanks for the clarification,but you realy don't think a common fps set of rules would work? Like I was saying it may go along way too help us all out i.e. Playing in other areas through out Canada and with the legal aspect? It seems most Teams/clubs are not far off the mark anyway? Cheers!

so just dont upgrade your gun to the maximum limit

so just dont upgrade your gun to the maximum limit

I don't,I do have one very close thow (ICS M4 S.I.R.).It's like I tell most people that ask me about working on there unit or ask about upgrading,400 fps is a limit,not a target to aim for! But it does seem like every place in Canada varies from Prov. to Prov. I would't be one for the 550fps,but some people have no problem with that and thats cool as long as everyone playing is in agreement to thoes rules.It's funny how some of this kina stuff comes about as people get hurt at games,but remember we are all supost to be over 18 and know about safety,but yet people lose teeth and get serious face injuries do to no wearing the propper saftey items.I won't play unless I'm using my full face mask and others on ower team feel the same as we'v seen what happens other wise.But on the flipside that extra 50 fps at range makes the difference between someone feeling there hit or not! I just think some are alittle high (fps limits!).But thats cool if all involved are cool with it and know the risk,It's a double edge sword,yes you need alittle more for outdoors,but not too much lol,Cheers guy's ! ( I do think there is alot to be learned here with this topic!)