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Blackthorne April 2nd, 2007 09:03

AK Mag Change - Fast and Clean
 
Sorry if this is a repost...

For those of us who struggle with AK mag changes (I did having learned on the M4 platform)...here is how you do it right, including function checks and inspection....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RgH6tHgyvY

Bissa April 2nd, 2007 09:20

wow... just wow that was so fast
i dont think moving that fast is possible much less necisary

Jimski April 2nd, 2007 10:23

mmmh a technique that doesn't involve the (airsoft/fragile) magazine getting thrown in the sand would be good too...

Blackthorne April 2nd, 2007 10:45

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Originally Posted by Jimski (Post 447441)
mmmh a technique that doesn't involve the (airsoft/fragile) magazine getting thrown in the sand would be good too...


I have yet to break a mag my treating them that way. (Star Low caps)

Shinjin_MC April 2nd, 2007 11:11

whats with that shimmy at the very start?

Brian McIlmoyle April 2nd, 2007 11:17

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Originally Posted by Shinjin_MC (Post 447452)
whats with that shimmy at the very start?


As the AK does not have a bolt hold open device, when it stops firing the 1st action is to check for a stoppage or hard extraction.. if you find the bolt carrier fully forward.. the next action is to change the magazine charge the weapon and continue firing.

Pip April 2nd, 2007 22:46

That was some sweet sh!t....yeah i drop my mags if i don't have the time to dump them...but once you know where you are putting things it can be pretty fast, especially if you are using STAR realcaps....lol...two/three bursts and your out...gotta be speedy. :) Great find!

Krieg April 2nd, 2007 22:51

... and the eyes remained on the enemy during the whole process!

Droc April 2nd, 2007 23:02

he looks exhausted after that.

Sturmur April 3rd, 2007 00:26

Polska!

dontask April 3rd, 2007 00:56

holy jesus
3 secs!!!

Lakonian April 3rd, 2007 00:58

Drill, Drill, and you guessed it! MORE DRILL!

Mysteryfish April 3rd, 2007 03:01

Honestly, the part of any reload I've found hardest is just getting the magazine from storage to hand.

I'd be really interested to see that from another angle. Does he "prime" his magazines? Near the end of a magazine, has he already opened a magazine pouch and gotten the end just a little out for grabbing?

Magpulls?

I hope this doesn't sound like criticism, because that's a helluva reload, but like I say, I would really appreciate more the "getting the magazine in your hand" part, because the "on the gun" stuff is alot easier to drill (I feel).

MadMorbius April 3rd, 2007 08:42

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Originally Posted by bissa (Post 447432)
wow... just wow that was so fast
i dont think moving that fast is possible much less necisary

Being on a two-way range might change your mind.

MadMorbius April 3rd, 2007 08:44

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Originally Posted by Mysteryfish (Post 448044)
Honestly, the part of any reload I've found hardest is just getting the magazine from storage to hand.

I'd be really interested to see that from another angle. Does he "prime" his magazines? Near the end of a magazine, has he already opened a magazine pouch and gotten the end just a little out for grabbing?

Magpulls?

I hope this doesn't sound like criticism, because that's a helluva reload, but like I say, I would really appreciate more the "getting the magazine in your hand" part, because the "on the gun" stuff is alot easier to drill (I feel).

Open pouch tops, and practice. Over and over and over again. It helps to orientate the mags in the pouches so that when you pull them out and flip them over, they're facing the right direction.

Mysteryfish April 3rd, 2007 14:59

That makes sense. That's my usual deal, and I've found an ideal position for magazines from all the guns i've actually bothered to get out and play with .

The latest is the Famas magazines, which are tricky if you accidentally put them in the pouch backwards. If they're in right, they come out fast and seat really easily, but if not, it's really hard to just look at it and tell which end's supposed to go up.

The open mag pouches basically answers the biggest question I had.

At what point do you figure mag pouches get opened? On contact, or ... ?

dirtywonton April 3rd, 2007 15:23

you think that was fast, check this guy out....

I know it's not and AK, but this is ridiculous...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls4Uq1aCiTA

Vivisector April 3rd, 2007 16:33

It looks like he grips the mag at a certain spot, holds the top of his hand just behind the foregrip, then simply rolls it back until the lip of the mag catches and continues the roll until it clicks into place. I've been just fumbling trying to get the mag to catch before pulling my arm towards my body until it clicks into place.

Thanks for posting this, I have new techniques to practice now. :)

Brian McIlmoyle April 3rd, 2007 17:13

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Originally Posted by Vivisector (Post 448330)
It looks like he grips the mag at a certain spot, holds the top of his hand just behind the foregrip, then simply rolls it back until the lip of the mag catches and continues the roll until it clicks into place. I've been just fumbling trying to get the mag to catch before pulling my arm towards my body until it clicks into place.

Thanks for posting this, I have new techniques to practice now. :)

Kit is optimized as well,

mag well is huge and smooth... mags are in ready holders butt up and aligned to go right in... This is not typical gear for operations..

dontask April 3rd, 2007 20:01

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Originally Posted by dirtywonton (Post 448265)
you think that was fast, check this guy out....

I know it's not and AK, but this is ridiculous...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls4Uq1aCiTA

the AK was more amazing lol

demco11 April 5th, 2007 20:51

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Originally Posted by Sturmur (Post 447981)
Polska!

POLSKA ftw :cool:

Amazing KG3 April 5th, 2007 21:24

Ive seen him on threads on MP.net. I guess they train with airguns, not sure if thats one or not. he can do it blind as well, (elimanting inspecting the breech)

MadMorbius April 6th, 2007 10:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mysteryfish (Post 448251)
The open mag pouches basically answers the biggest question I had.

At what point do you figure mag pouches get opened? On contact, or ... ?

I don't bother with the pouch tops at all. The only time I would close them is if I'm going to be crawling around on my belly. Otherwise, mags are tight enough in there that they shouldn't come out unless I'm effin inverted.

One of the cool things about real-cap games is after you do it for awhile, you sort of count the rounds. Not really of course, but somewhere in te back of your head you know roughly how many rounds you have in the mag. When you get 2/3rds through, you pull the other mag out and get ready to reload...as soon as you have a break in the contact do an admin reload so you don't have to fuck around with it later under contact.

Basically, put a fresh mag in every time you have a chance.

zero delay April 8th, 2007 11:58

anyone ever tried stacking Black Inertia BBs prior to the last 5 in the column of BBs, basically the same concept as using tracer rounds as indicators, place 3-4 Black units into the string and when you see the break in the white BBs you know you're close to empty.

I've never used those Inertia rounds so I haven't had a chance to try it. Obviously in lower light conditions it wouldn't be as effective, but for the majority of the time you can visually track White BBs over longer distances, so there is a good chance it would work.

Identity April 10th, 2007 22:17

HELL YEAH! That video was damn right awesome. See that reloading technique!? It takes me more than 20 seconds to reload! This guy is QUICK!

Kid April 10th, 2007 22:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Identity (Post 452095)
HELL YEAH! That video was damn right awesome. See that reloading technique!? It takes me more than 20 seconds to reload! This guy is QUICK!

Twenty seconds? Heh... that is slightly slow.

Identity April 10th, 2007 22:23

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Originally Posted by Kid (Post 452100)
Twenty seconds? Heh... that is slightly slow.

I like to put my mags back in my pockets :(, don't wanna lose em!
Then again, I play with Hi-Caps cause I can't afford several low caps.

Mysteryfish April 10th, 2007 23:17

Thanks Morbius,

That's a valid point, about the pouch tops.

I have the same "back of the head" thing with the pistols I've owned. It takes a little while, and you're never really 'counting', but you just get a feeling when it's time to reload. Cool stuff.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadMorbius (Post 450109)
I don't bother with the pouch tops at all. The only time I would close them is if I'm going to be crawling around on my belly. Otherwise, mags are tight enough in there that they shouldn't come out unless I'm effin inverted.

One of the cool things about real-cap games is after you do it for awhile, you sort of count the rounds. Not really of course, but somewhere in te back of your head you know roughly how many rounds you have in the mag. When you get 2/3rds through, you pull the other mag out and get ready to reload...as soon as you have a break in the contact do an admin reload so you don't have to fuck around with it later under contact.

Basically, put a fresh mag in every time you have a chance.


kuchervano April 11th, 2007 08:45

I liked this approach moar: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YJubY_7sowU
No its not three seconds long but there are less movements in the whole ordeal so even if you arent very fluent in you actions there is still visible improvement over eject/pull_out/insert (in that order).


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