semi cheap guns
 

i know there are a few sites selling Marui and CA guns in canada, but i find there is a lack of ones selling clone guns like Jing Gong and such as i have head they are decent quality, but alot cheaper. Any one know of where u could get a gun like that for under 180 or somethin? Are people sellin them in the classified? (I would definally get age verified)

Like is always said, you get what you pay for. Semi-cheap usually means cheap quality and poor performance.

An AEG for under $180? Think about it...

The Buyairsoft.ca site gives you a few ideas of what to expect in prices. Research will tell you the rest.

Dude, Maruis in canadian dollars are like $240... Their just marked up alot on Canadian sites

And a quick bit of research on Arnies tells me that CYMA and other 'clone' companies are finally making worth-while AEGs. Full metal exteriors and shooting at 350 or above out of the box. And sometimes half the price of a comparible AEG. So you see Mr. Greylocks, research counts for something. You had best do your own before making a hasty call on something you obviously know sweet F.A about.

No need to get in Grey's face, Coma. He gave the guy the answers he needed.

Snakeeater, there must be half a dozen threads explaining why prices in Canada sucks.

Out of the box performance isn't necessary as big of a deal as quality of the build/parts. ;) (Replacing mechbox internals isn't exactly cheap either when it does fall apart)

Why do you want a knock-off?

That's sorta like buying a 'Hunda VRX' or a 'Toyata Super'

Or 'Classic Army'?

Those of us who can afford TM, CA, etc shouldn't begrudge people who can't. So long as they know what they're getting themselves into, leave them alone. The rest is up to the cruel gods of airsoft.

Thank you for knowing what I know (or dont). You read minds?

He asked if he could find something semi decent for under $180. I told him he would get what he paid for (and he will).
I even gave him a site where he could check prices like he asked.

I have my opinions on chinese guns based on the models I had the chance to check out in person so far. What I think of them will not change until I see far better samples than I saw.

My answer is still correct; he can check published prices out himself. I am sorry the answer I provided is not up to your standards.

JG and CYMA guns are ~ 180 dollars canadian as long as you don't buy them from buyairsoft.ca

Find a member doing a group order and you have your cheap Marui clone.

If you really want to get into airsoft, your looking at dropping a grand to start with AEG, mags, batteries, and gear. AEG price range in and around $500- sky's the limit. If you can find a decent rifle for want your wanting to spend best of luck to yah and hope it works out. But another way you can go is get age verified and try the buy sell section, you won't find any AEG's for $180 but you'll find some pretty good deals. Hope this helps.

There is a review of a JG G36 on these boards, with photos.

So if we use that as a price base; let's say $300 and comes with one battery, one mag, and one cheap charger.
You still need protection for your face, clothing that wont make you stand out like an orange flag in the woods, and ammo.

Then you most likely will need to buy a far better battery charger/discharger and a spare battery, and a spare magazine or two.

From what I saw of the internals, you better be good at upgrades and repairs. Save cash for spare parts in there too.

$180? You might get a gun for $180. How long will it last? That is the question and the choice you must make when you choose the quality level of what you buy. Future upgrade or repair costs must not be forgotten. Mechbox parts are not cheap.

funny how you all bash the china made guns, all the folks in Hong Kong are buying up China made guns like there's no tomorrow.

I just watched a Marui rip it's gears apart the first day out (half day actually) and I'm hearing ppl go months on a china gun with no problem. Of course I've heard China guns breaking down pretty quick, but never in half a day. My stock M4 only lasted 12 rounds and I dun more than 1000 rnds an outting...

I know the older models of the China guns were plain crap. But from my last trip to Hong Kong, then china guns are pretty damn good now...

One thing to note though, the guys in Hong Kong don't mod their guns much after they buy them, atleast not the mechbox. Most ppl play stock guns as the fields over there are a lot smaller....

Oh, and if you like, check out http://www.gunnerairsoft.com. The guy has really honest reviews of the guns....he'll tell you which you can trust and which you can't...but they dun sell to Canada 'cause of the restrictions and everything.

I have a "TSD" M4A1 FMU that was purchased from buyairsoft.ca and I have to say it's holding up quite well. Absolutely no barrel wobble, and the motor seems to be quite good.

The range i got in my last game with it was decent, although every 5th or 6th BB would slice off to the left after about 100-125ft. Not sure exactly what's causing it, but it doesn't happen all that frequently to get me really annoyed.

For the price I paid for a full metal M4A1 with upgraded internals, the performance is exceptional.

maybe its just me but the only gear you really need to at least get a taste of the fun in airsoft are safety glasses and a gun (obviously bb's and bat). if you want to get into the role play of airsoft then you can drop some cash on a loadout

Marui is the "nike" of airsoft. Seriously. Only thing good about them is their mechbox.. and apparently these china guns have marui boxes (clones) modded to 300+.. so f*ck marui.

Why is it that everyone loves marui’s so much (I have 2 by the way along with 2 ICS's)? Everyone I know buys a marui for its reliability but soon turn around and change almost all the internals for higher fps and throws on a metal body. I know grey is going to say just change the bushing and spring but we play at 400 fps so gears, pistons, and mechboxes don’t last. What is left is a few bits of plastic. If these new china guns are half as good as the reviews you could buy 1 and drop a systema mechbox and still be cheaper then a stock marui but shoot 350-400. Just my thoughts.

Wouldn't say that so quick. A Marui holds it's value up better than a ACM(All chinese made) gun.
Marui's are reliable and the quality control is superb. Those chinese guns you can't really "rely" on them as your first AEG. The chinese guns have bad quality control and the only gun I would even go near recommend is the MP40 and the JG G36C.
The JG G36C is only "EXACT" clone when it comes to Tokyo Marui. Cyma has funny hop-up design and another JG guns all have their own small "problem".

Theres a reason why, reputiable retailers only import high quality guns. Cause they don't want they're customers returning the guns when they have defects. The Tokyo Marui guns are 100% guaranteed to work fine. The majority of TM guns work fine, where when you buying chinese, you might get a shitty qc'ed gun.

The problem with ICS and CA, they have nice metal bodies but they only have armalites and Mp5s.
No other manufactuer has made a AK47 as good as a TM.

I heard that Jing gong is the best chinese cheap gun there... Sound great too and almost the same Fps as Marui. You pay for what you got...
For cyma, WELL..... theses are really but really cheap and you pay for what you got... I just read a couple of review on it and it seem so bad...
Maby I will only stick to JG brand but depend on wich gun.

by the way, I dont think you will find a gun under 180$... If you read on buyairsoft... the model at 175 is the ABS mechbox and not a metal one!

The new cyma guns are fine, as long as you replace the internals and the wiring...maybe throw in a new hopup and barrel too.

i understand, but for me playing with friends out on the back forty, well rated safety glasses do just fine, and they're not klunky. again, it depends how serious you are and if you go to the big meets or if you just do it with friends.

Oh...dear....i'd say something here, but you'd probably cry and complain that i am "n00b bashing". The reason this sport is in the shits is because of attitudes like that.

On a more gun related note however, some of the China clones are getting pretty good reviews from all over the place. And remember these are countries where all sorts of guns are available, from the super crap to the super good. If there are players down in the States and all over Europe who will gladly take a cheeper Chinese clone over a more pricey "brand" name airsoft gun then they can't be all that bad. And if you are so adament on having the best quality internals, then its not all that much to go through the mechbox and swap out what you can.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ESS-LAND-OPS-GOGG...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Proto-Switch-EL-p...QQcmdZViewItem

Shop glasses? If you're too fucking cheap to protect your eyes, stay the fuck away from airsoft.

If any one else gets the NAM Magazine, issue #13 has a 6 page article on how these "clone" aeg's are starting to hurt some retailers in the US because the ones that aren't importing them are seeing a major drop in sales while those that are bringing them in are seeing a increase of epic proportions. I myself have owned TM back in the day and now have nothing but CA, but on a impulse bought a JG M4 just for the hell of it to see what they are like, I have found that body wise the finish on it is the same as TM, except for the lack of trades anywhere on the gun. The spot where you usually find the trade on the side of the mag well is blank, leaving it open for you to get anything you want engraved on it. Performence wise, the one I got is doing 373fps with .2's right out of the box and it was nice that it came with a battery and slow charger too. The one snag that I have hit with it is the low quality wiring, after about 2 85 round mags it did short out and stopped working, but if you know what your doing with wiring it was easily fixed. And yes it will run on TM, KA, and STAR mags without any feed problems. If anyone does get one of these JG made M4's, the first thing I'd suggest doing is get a gun doctor to change the wiring, and replace the nylon bushings with metal ones, after that have at it. Later on down the road I might replace the plastic body with a metal one and throw a RIS and barrel kit on it to bring the weight up on it, right now it weights pretty much nothing compared to my CA M15 CQB. And price wise, after shipping and taxes I only paid $322.24 for it from BuyAirsoft.com

ive personally handled medhatboys jg and i am VERY impressed with it. i would tak that over a tm any day. as he said the build quality is as good, if not better than tm. it has the gen 2 rear stock, the gen 2 barrel. everything is impressive on it. it operates egsactly like a tm, both ballistically and functionally. if i had my choice between a tm and this jg, i would choose the jg, for a number of reasons.
1) price, it is half (seriously) the price of a tm,
2) no body trades - so you can engrave your name/ team/ fav quote/ fav design whatever, you can customise it, which really appeals to me
3) it has all the latest innovations, so you dont have barrel wobble, better looking stock.
4) perefct base gun to build upon. if your going to replace just about every part in the process of upgrading the gun, why not buy a more affordable one to star?

LOL There's NOTHING wrong with that. What the hell do you think Foxden is, or the LZ, or Muskoka? It's somebody's 'back forty'.

And safety glasses, what some people call "shop glasses" are often SUPERIOR to paintball goggles.

Christ, the shit that passes as "common knowledge" and "common sense" on here is fucking disgusting.

Snakeeater, buy whatever you want but buy cheap and buy twice.

I have to disagree there. Shop goggle lenses themselves might be better at stopping a BB than a paintball goggle would be, the temples and arms of shop goggles carry no ANSI ratings. They also don't seal around the eyes, making a BB ricochet getting into your eyes a very likely possibility.
As I've said before, I'm down to one eye and I'm a big fan of protecting it. Nothing but ESS for me. I also get a little nervous in "safe areas" that don't require barrel condoms.

Cheap GUNS?
 

First of all this site is not the place for your profanity. So clean it up or shut it up.

I have been playing for only a few years. I agree with Grey. You can get a bargin on an AEG and you could maybe get a few good games out of it. But you will neet to upgrade. And, like any mechanical device, after it gets used it will require maintence and the odd part replaced, Like a Ford(oops, profanitiy alert, Dodge fan here haha) you will end up fixing the gun more than fielding it.

This is going to be the same for a not so cheap gun, you will still have to do the repairs, however, replacing the odd tappet once a year or so as opposed to rewiring the mechbox this week, replacing the motor next week, having to change out the gear set a month later is not nearly as appealing.

Sadly, not everyone can afford the Systema rifles. ICS, CA, G&P are almost impossable to get. But until you get out an play, is it worth buying a $1500 rifle, probably not. Get a cheapo. field it, play it till it dies, and then throw it away and then choose, do I make the investement into a soprt that the average player has about $2000-$12,000+ in gear or is this not for me and go to wallmart to buy the $20 job.

Ask yourself this. If you were going to get into ATV extreme sports, would you opt out for the cheaper clone? or would you save your money to by a new Raptor? Or would you save up some cash, wait and watch the classifieds, and spend the money to buy someones, tried tested and true AEG that has no longer got room in thier collection and has to be sold to make room for the next peice or the wifes new sewing machine. (Ya, over my dead body will i sell a guns for either of those reasons.LMAO)

Depends which glasses you're wearing. In your case tho, if you're at half capacity I'd have to aggree.

Unfortunately though grey, not everyone is going to look at it that way. Some of us do, some dont. You could give advise all day and they will still do what they want. haha.

Ahhhh'yah'OK, if you can find me a Mauri for $240CDN new anywhere in Canada you'd be my savior... listed or not. Due to the fact your not age verified just shows that you don't have the purchase knowledge as of late, hell $5 parts are being imported and cost 4X the initial USD price for you to purchase here.

As for a good starting gun at a decent price, the JG G608 (G36C) is a great AEG. The sad reality is even A&A are chargeing an arm and leg for imports, Glock 26's for $275CDN when they are under $100usd new c'mon. Lining thier pockets, but are licenced to do so it seems, Peace and keep well.


Speaks

I think you misunderstood what he was saying:

Meaning that a Marui sold in the U.S. or outside of Canada in Canadian funds is $240 (I would think more though) and when imported into Canada, retailers mark up the prices to our $500+ lineup of AEG's.

You guys don't understand.

When you import an item, you pay duty on that item's value (ie. the price you paid for it). For businesses importing plastic goods from Asia (Taiwan, etc.) that duty it 30%, plus you pay brokerage (7%), GST (7% of the total), and freight. That means that a $240 gun adds $80 in duty, $17 brokerage and $24 GST for a total of $361.

If it costs $20 freight to get the gun to you, then you are looking at $381 just to get the gun into Canada. For years this it what it cost, and guys were selling these guns for $440. Would you pay $1250 to get a license, another $2500 minimum to set up a registered company, another $2500/year in accounting fees, just to make $60 per gun?

Like I said, you guys have no clue. So you should really STFU!!!

I know why the prices are higher, I was just saying that Speaks didn't understand that SnakeEater was saying the exact same thing as Speaks was replying to SnakeEater...uh...yeah.

Alot of people say "oh, markup is stupid! i can bring in a gun for like $120 before shipping and itll be like $140 after shipping!" Right.. sure you can... well if you don't mind 3 months shipping time, then only tack on another $40 for a rifle in a box, or another $80 for express shipping. Also let's talk about where you're getting it from too...

Ok well if arguing is done lol i have a question........group orders........who does em? The reviews of the jg m-16 are huge and i wouldn't mind getting my hands on one to check it out; as well, i have a few friends with shallow pockets looking to get into airsoft.

Ryan,
thanks

ps. avoid the "you need to reasearch or read more" reply. I have read to much and may have overlooked group orders of they are located somewhere on this site.

As the guys at www.BuyAirsoft.ca they handle the JG's.

The key here is, research, research, research. I would suggest buying used. If the previous owner took care of it, you're getting a quality weapon for 70-90% of the price of a new one, just because of cosmetic damage. Also, sellers usually cram extra mags and batteries into the packages as well. So you'll get everything you need to start up minus a good pair of paintball goggles and a vest, plate carrier, or chest rig of some sort. Be patient, the season is just starting up and people are cleaning out their closets from winter, a deal will show up. That's how I got my Sig =)

I own a pair of Oakley M Frames in Heater size. At face value, these should be insanely good for airsoft, but they aren't.

The lens itself is near indestructible, I only had to replace one for esthetic considerations after a substantial amount of blunt face trauma to the face in the form of a beer bottle. I also had a lot of debris hit me while cycling.

I trust these with my eyes, but only if I can be sure what ever will hit me will hit me straight on. Theses glasses arent sealed, and enough force will knock them off. That's why I never used them for airsoft.

Damn it, 50$ will buy you a nice pair of googles or a paintball mask. First thing I learned way back in my paintball days was eye protection. I was thought to buiy a quality mask before anything else.

an average gun for indoor and all off-the-shelf guns shoot at around 300-330 fps. good safety rated glasses will protect you from any shot that those can put out.

Please stop bumping old thread with inaccurate information. FYI, all legit fields require you to have proper paintball glasses or ballistics goggles. If you don't have them, you can't play with the rest of the community, it's as simple as that.

thats not true. maybe in the area of canada that you have played. not everything is the same nation wide (as far as this goes). its a big country

It should be policy of airsoft fields to make players sign waivers regarding eye injuries and make it game rules that only shots above the nose count.

This would clear out the idiots pretty quick.

I'm up for that:kill:

You're telling me there are legitimate airsoft/paintball fields in Canada where they'll let you run around with shop glasses? It's not an issue of whether shop glasses can take the punishment, it's an issue of the field's insurance coverage.

hey just go onto the website called airsoftgi.com and look up there echo 1 and bugedt AEG. they are great AEG and you can easily put real gear box and what not into your AEG.

Pfffff.

Cheers,
Alex

Ok, let me make this clear: YOU CAN'T ORDER F**KING GUNS FROM THE UNITED STATES.

You can order guns from here:
www.buyairsoft.ca
here:
www.007airsoft.com
and here:
www.aasurplus.ca

That's it. Any questions? No? Good. Start reading some more and stop telling people bad information.

relax pal. try and be patient

I am relaxed. I just had a nice mug of hot chocolate while I watched Mythbusters (apparently you're safe from a Barret .50 if you're two and half feet under water...). I just wanted to make sure I was clear in my point.;)

lol saw that too :D now lets all make some tank with water on the side :D
by the way, want your hot chocolate :rolleyes:

which channel? (nevermind, I've seen this one)

Starbucks hot chocolate is pretty good because of one secret I know from working there; Add vanilla syrup. Not to much, in a 14 oz cup about a tea spoon is enough. It makes it taste so much smoother.

Unless you live in a god forsaken communist hellhole that belives that safety margins are just a capitalist ploy, you want safety gear to go above the requirements, not just meet them. Do you think paintball masks are rated to only protect up to 300 fps?

I'm not saying shop glases aren't going to stop some things, I'm just saying it's not the appropriate tool for the job.

I'm pretty sure that a kevlar helmet is sufficient to protect me on a construction site. It doesn't have the appropriate ANSI rating however.

If I take my M frames as an example again:
http://oakley.com/innovation/optical...act_protection

I've been told by an Oakley rep that the lense will stop a 12 guage buckshot at 30 feet. Even if this is exagerated, I've seen enough testimonials from real world operator saying their Oakleys saved their eyes from IEDs or debris blasts.

HOWEVER, since my M frame doesn't offer secure wrap around straps, I won't field them for airsoft, since I expect to get shot in the face every now and again, and a slipping lense would suck.

Unless your shop glasses offer secure wrap around, buy a paintball mask. Even if you shop glasses offer wrap around, buy a paintball mask.

USE THE RIGHT GOD DAMNED TOOLS FOR THE JOB!

You cannot entirely waive your rights via a waiver. It's been documented on ASC, so search around.

STFU.

http://www.tv-links.co.uk/show.do/1/61

why be dumb with your eyes??? you only get 2 of um

surebet, i get what your saying, and i totally agree that your eyes are worth protecting and if i wasnt 200% sure that i would be safe with my glasses, then you bet i would shell out more money to get tactical wraparounds. (by the way, my glasses are wraparounds). bottom line, shop glasses are made to stop bits of hot steel, therefore im comfortable wearing them. if you feel like they wont do the job or your playing with higher fps and your not sure then (even I would) shell out the money for higher rated glasses. your eyes are the top importance when playing as far as safety goes.

I don't think shop glasses are designed to stop bits of crap moving at 350 fps...

Why is it such a problem? If you're cheaping out on a gun, you've got a good $300 for goggles :D

Yes. Bits of hot steel, coming from directly at your face on a level plane.

BB's however, come from all sort of fucked up angles, from above and below, slightly behind and in a very dynamic enviroment where you are moving and possible brushing into people and things.

While in a shop you can turn off the machine and everything is safe when it stops moving, unless you are off the field in the safe zone, you can't just stop everything and everyone at an instant whim.


Bottom line. Get the right tools for the right job. Sure your kevlar vest can stop a bullet but it won't do much for a knife.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Don't come crying to us if you shoot your eye out.

lol, why would i come crying to you for shooting my eyes out. your not that special:D

and the glasses thing. I don't think that some of these people are actually contributing to the conversation and are instead just trying to create some conflict.

Basically, i trust my glasses and right now I'm not financially in a position to go and get $300 glasses. And like I said, I play outdoors with a few friends out on an acreage and not at meets, but sometimes I make it into the city to play an indoor game therefore I can just stop the game when I want. But I'm glad you all seem so concerned for my well being:D .

Dude... I have a pair of shooting glasses that cost me like $15 (I think) and a paintball mask that cost me like $40...you don't need $300 dollar glasses.

well someone had mentioned 300 dollar glasses so thats the number i went with. and my glasses are about the same price as yours ($15-ish) and pass impact tests for use on any job site in Canada.

Well theres some realyl cheap ones here but they aren't TM or Classic army but if your just a sunday shooter this is a good place to go http://www.sirmailorder.ca/show_prod...4d156f8508e2ce

Guys... small fact for you; the ONLY type of protective goggles allowed EVERYWHERE in Canada are paintball-rated masks/goggles.

The rest is on a field by field basis.

Dont risk your eyes for a game, it's really not worth it.

I just have a $60 paintball mask...my point was why should you skimp on goggles that will protect your eyes. As long as it's a snug fit, and is rated correctly, then theres no problem...but a lot of safety glasses have a space between your face and the glasses, just big enough for a bb to spin up into and wreak hell on your eye.

Also I was saying that if you have so much money that you didn't spend on buying a good gun (hence semi cheap guns, I assume) that you could afford a decent paintball mask.

I think its pretty simple as for glasses. Take 1 min to think about how his one of your eyes worth... 15$, 50$, 100$....I can promess you that if you get one of those bb in an eye it will fuck it up pretty damm good since a lot of guys shoot around 400 fps... and on auto so you will probably get more than one in the face. Just think about those people that have one glass eye and cant see distances properly now cuz they lost one eye. 15$, 50$ 100$...

dont know about you guys... but I would think about it ;) just a min should be enought to make up your mind.

Just for your info, I got bollé T-800 and they are pretty damm safe with a nice seal all around so no bb's can make their way in.

Cheers and think, 15$,50$,100$ :D
JP

iii need someone to, import me in some, semi cheap kinda guns, baybay baybay...

sorry it went throiugh my head when i saw the thread title =)

Ok, I think I was not clear here.

THE RIGHT FUCKING TOOL FOR THE RIGHT FUCKING JOB.

There is a world of difference between kinetic energy and thermal energy.

Even if your precious shop glasses should do the job, the are not rated to do the job.

God damnit, what is so hard to grasp here?!

It's his eyes, let him find out the hard way? He was told. His choice now.

Quoted for truth

Re: shop glasses, Hell I wear those things every day, and ya they sure will protect you from thins flying strait at your face, let me see what I wear them for um when I am using a sledge hammer ( in front of me), um hitting a punch or a chisel w/t a hammer,( in front of me again), grinding something ( in front of me) using a drill, using my die grinders, w/t various things on the end, cut of wheel, sanding disks, and reamers, all of those things I am looking dead on. so when a cut off wheel decides to self destruct and I get it in the face, oh it is coming dead on not, and well I will tell you the shop glasses work great, I sort of wish that I had been wearing a face shield as well. but when some some claymore goes of, or some young kid holds a m203 shell around the corner and you got bb's bouncing off everything. make sure you are looking dead on oh and maybe put your hands up to cover the sides, and the bottoms of the glasses, Anyone that thinks wearing shop glasses playing airsoft is safe enough, is bloody well stupid in my books.

I agree with Grey, in you get what you pay for, but the same can be said for the more expensive AEG’s. You could pay out the grand for a main line gun, but get a lemon. The way the new clones from China are, they start off bad but work out the bugs from the market feed back. So you see better products coming out with every new batch. That’s why we’re seeing more metal bodies on the Chinese models. Cost is everything; we should put down people who get them to start off with the cheaper guns, at least their trying.

I agree with Grey, in you get what you pay for, but the same can be said for the more expensive AEG’s. You could pay out the grand for a main line gun, but get a lemon. The way the new clones from China are, they start off bad but work out the bugs from the market feed back. So you see better products coming out with every new batch. That’s why we’re seeing more metal bodies on the Chinese models. Cost is everything; we should put down people who get them to start off with the cheaper guns, at least their trying.