What IS the best GBB?
 

This thread will follow in the path of The Best AEG section, and hear your experiences and performance findings on Gas Blow Back pistol's.

Rules for answers:

The gun must be a GAS BLOWBACK PISTOL. The gun must be stock (un-upgraded) but any accessories you have added feel free to include them. Also, Gas SMG's are allowed on this thread. Since the list of them is small they can be added as long as you own or pre-owned one.

You must own the gun, or have previously owned the gun you are commenting on. "I read about this" type of answers are not permitted because we want personal hands-on knowledge of the gun.

The gun must be common, not a rare and over expensive model that players will only ever hear about and read about and never see on a field.

The purpose of this is to find the best "bang for your buck" in a GBB, to find the best looking, best made pistol right out of the box.

Remember again that you must own or have owned the gun you comment on, not give out internet links or use hearsay.

SIG P226
 

I will begin with the TM SIG SAUER P226.
-Great look and solid feel in your hand.
-Blowback is smooth.
-Very accurate and good range for CQB.

As my first GBB I am very impressed with this pistol, it will serve me well on the field.
Recommenced vastly for the new air-soft player who wants a solid affordable pistol.

KSC HW Glock19
+solid construction (in stock form, gets better with upgrades)
+incredibly accurate for a short barrel
+many easy to find upgrades/accessories
+rail to mount laser/tac light
+has a good heft
+can use propane out of the box (sometimes, and only for so long before the slide cracks, but I'm told it can go through at least a few thousand rounds sometimes before that happens)

-only 20 round mags
-its a glock (for those that dont like the look of glocks)
-if there is a small flaw in the plastic slide it may crack right away on propane
-glock mag release so you need a glock holster or you will lose mags in the field (or so I'm told)

WA SV infinity 5''

Great look, great finish, nice weight, accurate and nice blowback. Been using it with propane for more than a year without the slide cracking (waiting for a metal slide) and it shoot in the upper 290 fps.

Only con is the 15 rounds mag...

WA Strayer Voigt Infinity 5" IED

+Looks bad ass
+Solid Weight with a non plastic toy feel
+Solid Blow Back
+Easily modable to propane with the AI flow restrictor or an aluminium slide
+Decent amount of parts in the market
+Carl's take down videos will allow even the most basic newbie to strip down and clean then reassemble with ease

- 15 round mag
- Mags are fairly hard to find, mostly have to come from over seas

KWA G19

-Redesigned G17 in compact form, lots of improvements such as a metal recoil guide
-Metal slide out of the box, meaning it can take propane with no worries
-comfy grip IMO
-Very accurate, excellent hopup that can adjust for a wide range of bb weights
-Lots of aftermarket support, including the holy Tanio Koba barrels :-D
-Lots of inexpensive real steal market support, for those that want a highly customized pistol

cons-
-no trades
-slide color is a bit off from body color, though that is almost expected since its metal on plastic
-no real safety

KWA glock 19 with metal slide

+ A workhorse. All KSC/KWA Glocks require little maintenance to perform, and are built to last.
+ Simple operation, easy to understand.
+ Metal slide is the sex.
+ Will withstand drops and bumps, with minor damage.
+ Low cost (290$ from Double Edge)
+ Uogrades are available, and it has a rail interface for lasers and lights.
+ Mags can be found anywhere. A-NY-WHERE.
+ Can take propane stock. In fact, you should almost exclusivly feed it propane.

- Trades are etched, not stamped.
- Front sight is not that secure, might fall off as with all KSC/KWA Glocks.

** Always check with the retailer if the gun has trades or not. I've heard that some KWA Glocks don't come with trades, but mine did. ***

TM Hicapa 5.1

+Big
+badass
+Solid
+Beasty Blowback(I dont mean beasty like "wow", I mean beasty like"holy shiiiiiiit"
+Huge 31 round capacity
+Ultra fast cycle time with little cooldown effect
+Mind blowing accuracy for a GBB
+Ball-busting range for a GBB
+Did I mention it can basically outshoot a stock AEG?
+Excellent variety of upgrades and parts(see Illusions meatbasher)

-Hot days, propne can blow the oring back...easily fixed
-Mag release can be tripped by a holster and the weight of that giant mag can cause it to fall out(rare, and fixable).

out of the box performance is staggering when compared to other GBBs. Sure, the Glocks may be better for super close CQB, but when any range is involved(ie: GBB field games), the hicapa has a noticable advantage. Be it outranging other guns, its percision accuracy, or the fact that others have to reload 2x as the hicapa does, its simply a beast. As a secondary, I cannot think of any gun that I would want more.

I have used WA guns, KSC glocks, TM sig(very close), and others, but none really surpass the TM Hicapa 5.1 for performance.

WA SVI 5"...

+Best feel of any GBB, at least any I've ever fired. That's what matters to me the most.
+Performance is quite good considering the age of the design. I've got a non-SCW and it's firing pretty consistently out to 60ft. Apparently the SCW3 guns are lasers.

-Money pits.

Excelent! All good, informative posts, good job guys, keep it up!

TM Sig-Sauer P226

+It's unique, chances are less that somone's gonna have one of these than the Hi-Capas/Glocks/Berettas out there.
+Smooth and Crisp recoil, running stock with propane.
+Picatinny Rail
+Very nice range/accuracy in CQB and outdoors. (Its techncially the only gun i've ever gotten kills with outdoors)
+Excellent contoured grip, even better with a Hogue hand-all grip on it.
+Excellent gas mileage

-Plastic slide is a bit soft, and shows dents from getting shot up (then again this goes for all other plastic guns as well).
-Somewhat lack of cosmetic upgrades (compared to other guns), including a non-railed version.

KJW M92F

+Full Metal Contruction
+Smooth blowback
+Easy Operation
+Can run flawlessly with Green/Propane out of box
+Good/realistic weight
+Can accept all TM counterparts
+Mags Redially Available
+Workhorse-Can survive several drops, kicks, and any abuse
+Great *Cha Chink* sound of slide when shot of pulled back
+Great Accuracy (atleast mine is) -Good enough to get easy one shot kills at 40-50ft
+Great power (280-300 i think it is)
+Nice Size
+Cosmeticially Upgradeable
+Internally Upgradeable
+Easy Maitenence
+GREAT if you have a low budjet, ultra bang for your buck (only 275 off of Tru)
+Great for all players

-Pot Metal
-Weak, shitty, safety(easy fix, takes 5 minutes)
-Bad gas milage (2 mags)
-Shitty trigger spring (accepts real steel counterpart)
-No Trades :(
-Shows wear easy (Metal) But I find this a good thing. Dunno about the rest of you.
-Oil it properly or else!

I have used several KJW M9s before, maby it was just them, but even on propane, it looked like it struggled to cycle the slide.

I agree, although they look good, and the all metal is nice, it also feels solid in your hand. The performance of it just turned me off on the sale and I passed it up for ToRN's SIG (very pleased with the SIG P226).

It was inacurate more times then not and like Droc said, it really seemed to struggle with every shot.

Good info so far. Very helpful for choosing a GBB with all the personal information.

TM Hicappa 4.3
pros
- very accurate
- great kick
- will shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger
- large mag capacity
- works well with any type of gas
- easy to disassemble and reassemble
- it can share mags with the tm hicappa 5.1
- good range and accuracy
- it doesn't hurt your wallet

cons
- can't really think of any at the moment

basically the same as 5.1 only smaller

KJW Glock 23

Pros

-Full metal
-Hard kick
-Very comfortable, fits well in your hands
-Nice comfortable weight
-Not very expensive, huge bang for you're buck
-Decent mag capacity of 20 rounds
-Adjustable hop up
-Fairly accurate
-Great range, I get over 100ft using .23g excels
-Railed frame for lights, lasers etc
-Sounds exactly like a real glock when the slide is racked(if that matters :))
-Very powerful, and hurts like a bitch when you get shot by it
-Simple maitenance, clean with duster, then re-oil the slide rails, springs, etc
-Skirmishing gun, this gun is designed for playing, not like fancy WA which are nice for collecting, this gun has taken some very hard abuse. Ice jammed down the breech, slide, snow down the barrel, and it still fired after all of that.
-Bullet proof finish, I have had mine for over a year, its the only gun so far that I would never really consider selling, no scratches after getting its ass kicked.
-Takes propane right out of the box!
-Decent gas mileage, 2-3 mags per fill

Cons

-No trades, this doesn't bother me, but *sigh* some people care about them just as much or more as performance
-Not many accessories for them, the 23's little brother the 27 has more accessories

Thats it for cons, I really can't find any other flaws with the gun, its very solid and the best bang for your buck. Also I really think I should mention the TM tac master, this gun has amazing accuracy and range, I got to shoot one at the last game I went to, I was very impressed by its range and accuracy, well past 100 feet, almost a pistol sniper.

Odd, mine has a respectable punch to it, doesnt seem to struggle at all.

Could be just the ones myself and Droc have used, the one I test fired was brand new out of the box and it had the little details he mentioned about the struggle. Maybe you got the pick of the litter :P

are all glock 19s made my KSC HW? or are there non HW ones made by KSC?

Much discussion has been made on that subject:

- KSC version has plastic slide and Heavy Weight frame

- KWA version has ABS frame and metal slide

(Both as they are recieved, out of the box)

KSC and KWA are reputed to be two branches of the same company, but I've never heard anyone conclusively state that this is true, but since neither one makes the other one's 'variety' of gun, I believe I can safely say "No, KSC only makes the HW version".

I would suggest that the KSC USP Compact is also a candidate for best GBB, out of the box. I may have had excellent luck with mine, but:

- it ran propane
- shot very nicely
- had great hop-up
- range
- FAST cyclic rate
- Snappy shooting, felt nice. Small size created a surprising recoil.
- Easy to carry
- looks great, feels very good (heavy, realistic)
- Working De-cocker

Cons?
- I didn't have anything fail or screw up on it, so I can't comment on likely issues. I wouldn't suggest that it doesn't have it's problems, but I did not encounter any.

One article that could go both ways is the magazine. It's completely closed off (Ie, the BB's aren't visible while loaded)

Benefits of this are that the BB's are always kept away from dirt and debris.

Problems could be that it is a little harder to clean, and if you really like counting BB's, you'd have to count them on the way in. Oh, and it's a bit weird to load, but if you're good, you can fill it with a TM BB loader.

it really depends on comparison. If the KJW M9 is the only GBB you have used, or used latley, it may seem like its alot. Its really hard to notice the difference unless you can have a gun in each hand.
Like the TM hicapa 5.1 and the TM sig. both are very close, but put one in each hand and let off some rounds, there is a slight difference.

but then again, GBBs are anything but consistant. I have seen some brand new KSC glocks that really suck, but I have also seen many that work great.

HFC M190-
Amazingly accurate, high velocity
Full metal, propane ready out of the box
Metal isn't pot metal, quite heavy
Great mag efficiency- 2 1/2 mags for each fill
Almost indestructible- google around for horror stories involving concrete and long drops
Quick ROF, recoil
A full-auto version is available
Compatible with real steel grips, many aftermarket parts (Marui M9 compatible)
A rail for accessories

Pssst, Ren, you broke your own rule dude.

The 226 that I sold you has a tightbore barrel, remember?

Of course, I remember, but you also included the stock barrel which I switched over to just to see the comparison and stock performance.

But just for that I will now say that a tightbore barrel is a quick simple upgrade, adds range, power and consistent accuracy that wont break your wallet. But that is for another thread.

In stock form, this gun is still awesome and a very proud close second to the Hi Capa.

KJW Full Metal M9

--Pros
+Full Metal
+KJW
+Nice kick (if it struggles, replace the recoil spring)
+Nice wieght
+Green gas ready out of the box
+Accurate
+Remarkabley Realistic
+Good range
+A little over 300 fps
+High mag capicity (27 rnds with one n the chamber)

Cons

+NONE THAT I CAN SEE.

I own both a KJW full metal M9 and a KJW ABS M9.

KSC Glock 18c

+great price
+crisp blowback
+good accuracy
+tons of aftermarket parts
+easy to upgrade
+full auto with great ROF
+has never jammed on me before
+large capacity 23rnd or 49rnds
+good build quality

-would probably die on propane
-has that Glock look
-if you dont have the right holster the mag can sometimes fall out
-plastic slide is a bit weak

TM hi-capa 5.1
everything Droc said is bang on
great gun and a decent price too

Great Reviews everyone, there must be more airsofter's out there with GBB's, dont worry if your pistol has already been covered, just throw out what you think of it.
Everyone should have a different personal usage opinion on their pistols, we want to hear them all!

Hehe, my KSC G19 with the right ammo!

Having tried your Hi Capa and a couple P226's, I'll have to say they are pretty impressive out of the box.

A few niggles I have with my TM Hi Capa
It is upgraded, but I'm fairly sure they pertain to a stock model as well:

the hop actuation lever is made of a softer metal and after extended use, will weaken; you need to strip the gun and re-bend it into shape
not to mention, you need to strip the gun to access the hop; its not as fiddly with Glocks, but with 1911's it takes longer
I prefer KSC's hop unit

the sights are of the "target" variety and targeting tends to be a bit slower versus sights on Berettas and glocks

magazine catch is quite large and will bump loose in a softer holster; I switched to a hard Safariland 6004 and it was ok

and of course there is the O-ring problem; In Japan, all you need to do is drop by the equivalent of a Home Depot or Home Hardware and pick up an O-ring of the same size (10, I believe it is)
Its not a standard size here in Canada

after extended use, the manual safety tends to be 'mushier' than those on WA's
It still works, but I can flick the safety on even when the hammer is down

and on the topic of the hammer: you cannot manual decock; it only decocks to the half-cock position, unlike WA where you can fully manual-decock the hammer
you need to actually pull the trigger without the magazine in the gun to decock

the leaf spring sometimes fails to catch on the sear, so the hammer will not stay in the cocked position
its quite interesting if you insert a full mag, cock the gun and can't do a thing as the gun cooks off all 31 shots in the magazine
fixed easily by removing the mainspring housing to access the leaf spring

now, I'm just being picky, but I prefer the more aggressive checkering on the grips that WA has on their 1911's, especially around the front of the grip; just feels better IMO

Bumping this thread back to life, in case there are any more who wish to put in a word about their GBB. After another week or so I will tally up the answers and make a full information (locked/stickied) thread that will help any airsoft player to see personal, hands on experience and findings regarding Gas Blowback Pistol's.

So any info you would like to see put on the final thread, speak now!

Thanks

I think some people are wondering, so I'll make it clear. It was my idea to start this kind of thread for the purpose of getting a list of decent guns to get. Along with that, some hope of getting decent details (why, how, what works).
GBB, AEG, and soon Sniper guns.
Renegade HAS talked to me about continuing the project, he's not stealing the idea or ripping me off.

Threads like these are the proof we can get excellent information together. I just have other things that are taking major priority in my life right now.

I have a question about the Mac-11, and I guess it might belong here, as it will attest to the quality of a GBB. If I were to get the metal version and lubed it up well whenever it was necessary, how long or how many bb's could I expect to put through it until it isn't CQB'able anymore.

TM SIG P226. love it, pretty accurate stock. well balanced. n looks damn gd.

EDIT: as well i like how it can field strip so easily. and the details of the gun are almost exactly like the real steel.

Read the requirements for the thread, again. Then read the forums, the reviews, and the doctor's corner. You can also use the Search option.
No, your post does not belong here.

Tm desert eagle hard kick.

i love the weight and kick of it. you know you have a strong gun in your hands when your holding it. doesn't break easy, i think it looks great and has a nice finish (chrome one, don't know about black). propane usable, awesome kick. some people say its too large, but i think it fits just fine as long as your big enough.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...2/100_0087.jpg WE tech 5.1 high-cappa "Dragon" For $200 you can't go wrong, Itd full metal, great accuracy and good kick on green awesome kick on propane, around 295fps and most marui 5.1 parts fit the gun(includeing mags) overall great gun

sorry i didn't know that pic was so big

Its all good, nice gun. Thanks for the post.

^^ Absolutely.

i like them too, but only thing i don't like is how WE has there dumb label showing.

Guys, gun labelling has NOTHING to do with the quality, or the thread subject. Stick to the topic.

Yea, please stick the quality and personal findings of the gun, as for the label, its not that bad, plus ur hand goes over it so you cant really notice it in the field.

Woot on 100 ASC posts :)

So, pardon my newbiness, but did we find out what the BEST GBB is? After reading this thread I'm uber confused now.

well, everyone seems to post different views. Earlier on people seemed to be talking good on the TM Hicapa guns and the TM sig.

As for the WE guns, the full metal is attractive, but from what i hear, the mechanical shortfalls(poor internals from what I heard) and some of the bad ideas("baby hicapa...metal slide way to heavy, etc) wouldnt put it up there as the "best GBB"...but definatly up there when it comes to bang for your buck.

i believe that greylocks or someone will be taking our information and then put it into a new post once this is done, then we will know what the best GBB (in peoples opinions)

nono, you were right at the start. it's garbage :) try it next to a stock marui hicapa and you'll see what i mean. feels nice till you shoot it. heavy recoil but slow as a tortoise, also i'm mentioning nothing about the flaccidass recoil spring (dont change it because it's meant to be that way) and the mag that leaks and runs out of gas after 20 shots (31bb capacity).

The information will be consolidated into something useful.

i don't know where your getting this but my WE shoot just a fast as my friends TM and i get 2 mags of BB's off before i need to re-fill

Okay cool. Thanks for straightening me out pufnstuf.

The irony...

Renegade has 'volunteered' to compile the information because in the next several weeks my life will be hell.

I dont think there will ever be a complete consensus, but it should give a list of reasonably decent guns/buys when it's done.

Even that is far better than the guessing game.

evilmonkey which WE do you have? I recently compared my old WE High Cap 5.1 to manchovie's TM and it totally blows the WE away, so much so that I just sold it and will pick up a TM soon!

In terms of value, the WE is way up there but it can't really compare to the TM (from my limited experience anyway) is just so much chrisper and not as sluggish even with the metal slide installed. Ya it's more expensive but airsoft is an expensive hobby, we should be use to it by now. ;)

I've got the 5.1 AB type Dragon...the one with only half a slide, and it keeps up with my friends TM 5.1 high cap just fine

I am currently working on a summary of all the GBB's mentioned, most popular > least, ect, dont expect it to soon, I still have work, more work and then some sleep in between to get done :). When it is done, thanks to Meat it will be done in a new thread, stickied and probably locked at the top of this section.

Any feedback on the layout, format, ect of it pm me ideas.

Thanks.

I have a HiCapa 3.8.
Works fine- and the recoil isn't sluggish at all. Also, gas efficiency is pretty good.
I guess that's just your gun, then.

That'd be nice. Something to pass all my time on ( since I love pistols so much )

You have all my support

Off note Question
 

Ive only ever owned a KJW beretta m9a1 elite. Loved it, but i think cause of the Houge grips. Anyone love their full metal USP (mk23 or .45) or 1911? Im looking at getting into GBB exclusivly and i want the shit of GBB's. Looking to get two amazing guns. I guess my first will be the TM sig p226 by what ive seen. But its plastic! What about the KJW or KSC ones? Full metal all the way. Im also thinking about getting GBB's that will run well on propane, i dont want to order green gas every two weeks. Ill check the FAQs about that stuff.

My first and only GBB so far is the TM p226, and I thought the same thing, plastic? ugh. but I will tell you man, I love this gun, and it has amazing performance, light weight, runs great on propane. You wont really notice anything bad about it being plastic, but I agree again, nothing beats the overall look, feel, and feel of a full metal gun, but for a great sidearm, the 226 even plastic, is a top choice.

yeah but this isnt a sidearm, i want a gbb that I can become framiliar with in the most realistic ways possible. Im a huge handgun fanatic, and as im going to be going for mountie training soon, i want to have my prized GBBs while i dump all mt other stuff. What about the maruzen p99?

I tested my TM P-226 at it stock gun form for over 500 rds before it got up graded.
The test was done using 134A (duster gas) and it can penetrate card board box for within 20 ft. The handling of this gun is excellent, just the right size for any field situations. The blow back is smooth; I found more accuracy with .20bb than using the .25bb for this gun.
ROF is something I don’t like to judge for a GBB…as if I am asking myself as to how fast I can squeeze the trigger most of the time. But this is all a matter of opinion.
I’ve been the owner for the following GBB in the past – TM Tactical Master, TM Desert Eagle, WA SV Infinity Tactical Carry and a KJW Glock 23. After careful considerations, I must say my TM P-226 is the best above all the others I had handled so far.

so no go on the usps?

Imagine what can be done with HFC22 ( propane ) !!

KSC/KWA Glock 19's. Hands down, superbly simple and reliable systems.

So , finally. Will a small résumé be made in the next days ? I'm getting kinda lost in all this. My first choice being TM P226 for now , I just wanna know exactly what the others are thinking about their own GBBs

I've handled the TM Desert Eagle (hardkick), TM Beretta M92F Chrome, TM HI-CAPA 4.3, and KSC USP.

The Beretta looks great and is quite reliable. Interesting safety, too (trigger pulls all the way back but doesn't engage anything).

The Desert Eagle kicks like a beast and can easily break glass from 12' away.

The HI-CAPA is very accurate.

The USP has been nothing but problems since it came. It's a pain to fill up and there is something wrong with it because sometimes it only takes 3-4 shots before it runs out of gas :smack: (sometimes it lasts for 20+ shots though). Seems to be really powerful though - maybe the valve is opening for far too long or something.

im not a big fan of the desert eagle cometically wise. If you want a huge gun, the 8'' revolvers are nice.

TM 4.3 hi-capa

pros *
-Metal frame
-high rof
-accurate
cons*
-no working de-cocker
-nothing else

I don't believe 1911s came with a decocker in the first place.

have you dropped the mag? :P My usp is doing fine :)

it's working fine now
my friend was mishandling it :roll:

I fuck around with my usp (load it , rack the slide, pull the trigger to check the action.However ,I have never dry fired it) and it's great. So whatever your friend is doing, or WAS doing ...tell him to STOP. The USP (ksc) should be one of the most reliable guns available IF! taken care of properly. :) power isn't bad either ;)

the safety on his gun (the USP), however, definately does NOT work

you can set the safety lever to point at S and then when you pull the trigger the safety lever pops down and the hammer flies forward like normal

Keep the thread on track guys, any gun problems take it to Doctors corner, any other back and forth discusion, pm or msn.

Thanks.

HFC M190
-Full Metal (excellent with propane)
-Damn accurate with 0.25 and 0.3
-Excellent range (in relative to my G18C)
-CHEAP for a FULL metal GBB! ($115 on RedWolf)
-Shoots quite hard (not sure about fps)
-Very nice weight
-Excellent kickback
-Haven't had a problem with it

The only drawbacks I can think of, no real trademarks on the gun, and the gun is fairly heavy on the leg holster.

I just got my TM P226 this morning and it is the best gbb that i have experienced. It makes my TM G26 seem like a childs toy in both looks and feel.

I really like the double/single action firing and working decocking lever. It fires nice on duster and I can't wait to try it with propane. Some people say they only go for full metal stuff, let me tell you that the plastic on this thing looks and feels like high quality stuff. It even looks like metal with that dull metallic finish. And it has decent weight, just a bit less that the real steel version

I own a TM G26, and I have tried a WE Hi-Capa dragon. The dragon couldn't even fire off a full mag of bb's when full of propane. The G26 is good in its operation but it's looks just don't cut it for me anymore...way too small (girly).
The SIG is perfect, looks great, feels great, works great, good accuracy and it's TM so reliability is not going to be an issue.

I just got the new TM 1911, and i owned the TM P226 in the past. These two GBBs are probably the best that i have ever used before. But out of the two i would rather go with the P226 becuase eventhough the 1911 is good and all, a full tank of gas has just enough to shoot all the BBs out of the magazine. The P226 has a better feel to it, and (to me at least) looks nicer.

I've owned tm 226, mk23nbb, tanaka 226, kjw p14.45 and a ksc usp full size

the tm226 was an impulse buy, I didnt like the feel or how it shot so it was quickly sold.

the mk23 was better, I did miss the blowback feel but this gun was accurate as hell only problem is that its hard to find a holster that fits, so I sold it

the tanaka 226.....well, it was my first airsoft gun I shot more bbs through it just plinking than I have with my M4 in game...but I shot it out(blow back broke) if they made metal parts for it I would still be useing it today.

the KJW P14.45 is the workhorse sidearm of my arsenel I have done everything wrong with this gun and it still works without any problems (I do cleen it regularly) for a game gun this is one of the best but it doesnt have any trademarks and that is probably the only downside to it.

the KSC USP it a remarkable piece of enginering the internals on this are the best of any gun I have owned once I get a metal slide for it it will probably replace the kjw as my game gun, the fit for my hand is amazing (gots big paws) and it just looks stunning

my vote goes to the KJW 14.45 simply because it works when it shouldnt and the price

kSC glock 18c

-doesn`t hurt the wall
-full auto and semi auto selection
-can use 50 rnd mags

Thats right, every one loves and wants the TM p226 :) I personaly love the gun, and I am breaking my own rules again, screw you my thread, anyone with that GBB, go out and get the enhanced recoil spring set, you will love the difference it makes. Tighter recoil/blowback, extra range, accuracy. great upgrade.

All TM GBB's perform the same. However, they perform like a beast when you bring out the propane. Might damage the plastic slide over time but just buy a metal slide later.
Telling you the blowback comes alive with propane.

The TM HI-CAPA 4.3 is a nice gun, compact and accurate.
Another good GBB is the KJW Glock 23. Great recoil, and kicks hard with Propane right out the box.
Cons on the KJW G23 is it's not acurrate as the TM GBBs.
TM Desert Eagle is a beast. That thing feels like a monster. Best kicking GBB out there. However it's huge!

KSC M11's are almost perfect, great accuracy, great rof, decent mag cappacity.. the only down side to them is holstering them (I tend to sling mine). They're robust and overall a general hoot to shoot.


For a gun that's holsterable it is difficult to beat KSC's G19 HW. but enough has been said on that.

this breaks the rule but i had to throw it out. theres one guy here in alberta who use and mag pouche on his LBV as a holster for his ingram.

TM Desert Eagle Hard Kick bling version

Pros:
-Amazing kick.
-Able to shoot propane out of the box.
-Looks great.
-Decent Mag size (27+1)
-About 330-340 fps with propane.
-Slide on top to attach RDS.
-Giant size.
-Looks great.

Cons:
-Giant size- May be to big for some people and also difficult to find a holster that fits well.
-Gas guzzler- not really a big deal when you use propane.
-Slightly difficult to disassemble the 2 slide pieces.

Conclusion:
Ginormous hand cannon, some people see this has a bad thing but I just love the sheer girth of it, depends on personal preference. I think the worst thing about this gun is how easy it is to get finger prints on it :-)

It's all bling. Not effective in the fields. I couldn't find a working holster for it, so thats why I sold it.

It was also very heavy, too heavy for me to carry around. Now I came down from a super large handgun to my 4.3.

Your such a little girl. lol jking. I love swinging around a huge .45 and seeing people put there heads down. I just picked up a KSC m945 Performance center and i love it

pros-
-Official Logos from smith & wesson performance center, laser etched into slide and frame.
-Great grip from the 1911 platform.
-Out of the box looks like its been modified to insane amounts, featuring none slip extended hair trigger, extended saftey, double cocking etches that have a very attractive fish scale pattern, Ring hammer, and extended beaver tail.
-Custom sights with Windage adjusments with a dime, very professional looking.
-Double saftey, featuring a slide and hammer lock, and a beaver tail.
-Its ABS plastic, but I still cant believe its not metal.
-Magazines are as attractive as the gun.
-Great Power from Duster, and apparently can run off propane, im not risking it.
-Cheap metal slides and parts.

Cons-
-Hard to find parts over the sea of glock parts.
-The pin to do a takedown is a seperate piece, you lose it, gun no work.
-Big for some holsters
-Little pin that locks the slide back can easily be lost during takedown, already lost mine.
-Mag release can be hit during holstering.

oh and yeah the TM hard kick "bling", seems to be ineffective, thats a good point by far, a chrome sheen isnt going to win you fire fights. My slide on my m495 seems a little decrotave, so im swapping it out. too flashy.

Hahaaha :-D

Man, I had the chrome on plastic Desert Eagle Hard Kick, let me tell you it was completely bling. The chrome finish was not even near or like metal chrome. Didn't like it. No holster and it ate gas like a b1tch. It had nice blowback but for field use na-ah.

My 4.3 is fine. Compact, nice crisp blowback. Really like it.

I just feel it necessary to +1 for the KSC Glock 19 HW.

hmmm... tighter recoil spring... the 150%? and would that work if i run duster?