More problems with a seller.
 

Hey there. I've been having problems with Allstarr, as a buyer. I noticed when Jester6 posted his problem with Allstarr, it was solved. I'm hoping this will help. I understand he hasn't been doing well, but the problem is that there has been 2 weeks with no updates (Paid him over 40 days ago, last update it had not even been shipped yet), and PM's have been ignored/not even read, yet He's online often.

Here's the link to the sale thread. http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=18190

I may be over-reacting, but seeing as how Jester6's problem was solved after posting, I'm hoping to achieve the same end.

I either want my money back or my vest in the mail with a tracking #, or at least an update on what's going on, some sort of communication.

Thanks for your time, Cushak

(If anyone here knows him, would you be able to contact him for me/find out what's going on? Thanks)

Hopefully he will respond to you soon. Post in his buy/sell rating that hes been ignoring you for the past 2 weeks. Good luck!


Wang

I've pm'd him and he should be getting back to you soon. If not, let me know....

Don't worry, Allstarr is a verry good guy. We play with him often. I saw him tonight but was not aware of this thread, so I have no idea of what was going on with him.

Im sure you will both resolve this mather quickly.

I spoke to Allstarr last night, and it looks like instead of getting the items I purchased, I will be getting my money back. I also asked him about your transaction and he also said you would be getting your money back. As of when is a different matter. He said that he just doesn't have the time to ship the items out. Is there anyone that could maybe help him out with shipping the items out?

That's the worst excuse I've ever heard. He doesn't have time to ship the items out, but has time to refund your money and play airsoft? Something's seriously fishy here.

Allstar wanted to buy an MP5 from me a while back. He was totally excited about getting it and said he was gonna wait for payday then pay me. That time came, he said he needed more time to get money. Then one day over webcam he shows me his new TM Boys MP5 and doesn't even address the fact that he pretty much flaked on our deal.

But at least in this case and that one, nobody got burned. Just dissapointed.

I have to agree with WK though. No time to ship out? Like come on. And if he has no time to ship out, he probably shouldn't even have enough time to be helped in shipping stuff out.

Come on people! DON'T DO BUSINESS WITH HIM! You'd think that would have been evident after the last thread about him... seriously. If you do business with someone who has a known bad track record you're just bringing it upon yourself.

I've had a few dealings with Allstar, sold him somethings and he's asked for others and not completed the deal. I am a proffesional retailer. If I had a buck for everyone who said they would be back and didn't well dude I sell pants to the people who came back. If you want professional service deal with professionals. The rating system is in place to help you, use it. Hi count good rating no problem. Low count, bad ratings Buyer be ware.

That's true. Basically, when people ask me about buying stuff i"m selling. Money talks, if a guy says he's interested, it means shit. Until he pays, like even a deposit, then I'll take him seriously. But the only thing that miffed me about allstar was just the maturity level, just the fact he didn't tell me he wasn't interested anymore, rather than just avoid the subject.

So the question is now "as of when we get our money back?" He should be able to send it right now. If he checked the last PM I sent him, it has my emt on it. If he can accept EMT, he can send it, and he's online enough to take 4 minutes and send me my $120. The way I see it he has no excuse for delaying now. Allstarr, if you read this, I'm pm'ing and emailing my emt info to you, so stop ignoring them. If it's a matter of you don't have the money, you should stop spending money that doesn't belong to you, it's not yours till we get our stuff, and I don't like being stolen from.

I'll trust what you said Fox_111, I'll give him some more time.

We have a rating system for a reason. If you have poor dealings with a person, leave negative feedback, instead of bitching about it in a thread like this, when another person is having troubles with that person.

I did leave negative feedback, and the only way I'll change it to neutral with a warning to buyers is if I get the money back. I left the feedback when I started this thred.

Update:

Been in contact with Allstarr. Understand more, he's been going through some stuff. Been given an ETA on money deposit. He apologized and stuff, and we'll be hopefully getting it straightened out soon. Don't think any less of him as a person, seems like a good guy when talking to live. (And I did persue the matter a little aggresively here, I just had no way of knowing either way, so assumed the worst.) Will keep this updated.

-Cushak

low doesn't mean be aware. i'm trying to build my rating but i only have so much money to buy and things to sell. i think people should read the feedback and decide.

ie. seller took a little longer to mail the order... or seller was hard to get ahold of...... in the feed back is pretty straight forward.

i mean we all research everything else before asking why not research the seller or buyer before buying. don't just see how many positives the person has, read the comments.

That's right bitch! Don't make me mercy you again ;)

Sounds like Allstarr pulled a Wenzel. He needs to read this before he trys to pull that crap again. http://www.wenzeled.com/site/ or http://www.wenzeled.com/site/index.p...&id=4&Itemid=5

DON'T GET WENZELED!

Ahahahaha !! Mercy Bitch, Oh my what a big pistol you have!

I mean to say use caution around low rates. Hey I had a low rate once, I never burned anyone, however its wise to not presume that the deal will go flawless or super quick. reality is most people have lives that do not solely rotate around ASC and or sales related to it. My business allows me to focus on the players and making deals and maintaining a solid sales reputation.
( :cheers: The drunken debauchery really has no bearing. not even that incident with Duff-man-in-cadpats 8O )
Cheers

Contact with Allstarr has died off, no updates in a while and the line WE set is coming up this Sunday.

Never assume a low rate means anything. For example, I got all my guns and stuff before the rating system existed.
A negative rating, however, is another matter.

This is WRONG. You don't use the feedback system as leverage, you use it to warn others of UNTRUSTWORTHY INDIVIDUALS.

Say your deal worked out in the end, and although it takes weeks to get there you decide to change your feedback to neutral. You've now put your reputation on the line and glossed over the fact that the individual tried to fuck you in the first place.

BAD SELLERS GET BAD RATINGS. Don't feel like you're obligated to leave good feedback! If you're not completly satisfied with the transaction, FUCK 'EM.

Cause I'll tell ya, if I make a sale or a purchase based on good feedback and later start reading posts about people who had bad deals and didnt take the time to warn others, you'll get bad feedback from me for MISLEADING me into trusting the individual in question.

The system is in place to warn EVERYONE, and if you gloss over a bad deal by leaving positive feedback, you're almost as bad.

Although that is true, the other person you are doing buisness with has the right to return the favour. (which in the end can make both people look bad) I have done buisness through ebay and had to wait 4 months for a stupid computer chip to finially reach my house (the seller was located in Canada. So it should have reached my door step in 2 weeks not 4 months) I sent him a money order Express post which made it to his house in 2 days according to the Canadapost tracker, and he claimed payment was not recieved quick enough, so in the end be both got negative ratings. But finially after I contacted Ebay and explained the whole story to them, they agreed to erase the negative feedback all together. However even though I did end up winning that one, it took almost a month before my feedback rating was changed back to normal, and one seller on ebay wouldent sell to me because of that.

Erik

I agree with MadMorbius, you can't let things slide, if a deal goes badly, give a negative rating and leave comments.

Allstarr isnt a bad guy, he jsut gets excited about something and jumps on it before thinking. I remember the past summer he bought a TM MP5 A4 from someone locally, like 3 days later he was back in the forums selling it. I asked him if something was wrong with it, he said no it was in perfect working order, he just decided he didn't want a mp5 anymore he wanted a m4 (i think) instead.

But the Buy/Sell ratings arent for rating the people as people, they are about rating them as people to deal with, someone could be the nicest guy you ever met and be a nightmare to deal with, another guy could be a total jackass of a human being but be a great seller.

Hey guys I have these uber leet airsoft guns for sale, full metal, each come with 50 mags and hell I'll even throw in a shit load of expensive gear at no charge. All I want is $1000 from each of ya.

Of coarse I don't actually have any of these items but from the way things operate on here I can jerk all you suckers around for months, if not years interest free. That is assuming I even return your money.

Stop being suckers.

You know why I'm pissed off? I hate seeing decent people (although your partly to blame) allowing themselves to be screwed around endlessly. Eventually I'll get burned aswell because I have no way to know if someone I'm dealing with is a scumbag because no one can leave a negative rating.

My dog died, I got into a car accident, I got herpes from my girlfriend who just broke up with me ... fuck off. These excuses are lame and so played. Fucking pathetic. I like how no one "has any time" ... They must work 24 hours a day. I have three jobs, and I still have time.

Leaving someone a negative rating will not detroy their F-ing life, it will just warn others that a transaction had complications. Stop being so afraid you pansies.

The feed back you received is to show how you performed on your end of the deal. I have erased retalitory feedback in the past. If you are a buyer and you send the money quick and in full you should get positive feed back for it. If you are the shipper and you ship things out in a quick manner and the item is exactly as described you should get positive feed back for that too. anything different then what's agreed on the deal should get neutral or negative feed back depending on how badly things go.

Just an update: Still nothing. Been told many times it would be shipped, been told many times it would have to wait a while. Just curious, if it takes much (I'd say two weeks) longer, is small claims court worth $115?

no but the police would like to hear about it, as sad as it would be to take it that far. But ya technically what he has done (and im no expert) is comitted fraud.

so ive been told by an officer, if youve made a binding contract and he has failed to uphold his end of the bargin its fraud. but as far as i understand you need all records of the deal (all pms) a name (age verification should have records) and phone # (you must have attempted to at least call 3 times i think?) and then they can make a case. hopfully after a call from a constable hed get his ass in gear, then the charges get dropped.

again dont bother flaming, ive never been through this, this is what i was told when i inquired about it.

Freedom fighter is right, leave neg feedback instead of no feedback, but as Lisa implied it has to be justified.

When it comes to things like this small amount of money is not the most important thing to me. Teaching scammer a lesson is. At least that's how I see it.

Just compiling all the PM's now. One of the reasons for late delivery he used was that he accidentily mailed it to the wrong address. I'm going to assume that it of it did happen, it would have been someone on here who was also buying something from him at the same time. Because if it was a total stranger, it'd be hard to contact them, because you wouldn't have record of where it was shipped. Is this confirmable by anyone? Did anyone mysteriously recieve a modular CADPAT vest in the mail and return it to sender? Also, anyone who's in the area of Allstarr, would you be able to pick it up from him (talk to me, I'd tell him you're coming) and ship it to me? I'd pay you for shipping (yes I'd pay shipping twice, if it meant someone possibly a little more reliable would be doing it)

That said in his last communique he promised some extra gear to make up for it. If it goes through, I'll consider it even and that he made up for taking longer than expected, and will be back to good terms.

Someone stretches out completing his end of the bargain this long (ie shipping the goods you paid for), and then promisses more to boot? From the expierences I've had, thats a sure sign you arent ever going to see jackshit. :x:

I wish we had a rating system for pwnage. 'Cause I'd give FF a +1 for that.

Ok, I will pick it up from him for you. Tell him to arrange a time for me and get the stuff ready. Please PM me a list of the things and your shipping addy together with Allstars address and phone number.

Cushak, did you pay via EMT? If so, contact the bank let them know the EMT was for payment of goods that have not been received and if I'm not mistaken they can freeze his account if it is with them or make a request if not until things are straightened up (usually involves the cops as well, due to it being fraud).
Hopefully something happens.

Thats fair enough. Main thing is you leave feeling that it was fair. You may not be happy given how long this is taking..but atleast it'll be better then the alternative.

I don't know, I can see both sides of the story here.

As a buyer, you want your shit. You get the 'new gun giddies' and pace around the mailbox for a solid week till the damn thing gets there. If it doesn't show up within that period of time you go though the hurt/mad/pshyco phase.

As a seller, I have a simple system. Once payment is received I box & address the item sitting at my computer. Then the next morning it goes in my truck and will get delivered if I have time and a post office nearby. But.... heh, I've had some freeky things happen that seem to thwart all effort to ship stuff at times. It's almost like God himself was interveening.

So yeah, I can see delays. But when things go on for over a Month... someone isn't playing ball. Short of longterm hospitalization, there isn't much you can say to save yourself and your reputation.

As for the feedback. I've yet to see negative feedback for quite a few deals I saw go sour and were announced right here in this forum. If the Mods are willing to 'adjust' retalitory feedback as Lisa said, people need to leave a more accurate representation of what actually happened. But, most people leave positive because they managed to unfuck a fucked up deal. Thats Fucked up... and you're screweing the next guy in line.

Total agree. When I buy something from someone, I obviously look for clean ratings. If I have to search the Classified section to confrim what the ratings are saying about that guy, well I think we're lightyears away from the main purpose of the B/S ratings which is (was) "To know how this guy deals in less than a second".

Kymoz

I've already given him negative feedback, quite a while ago. Monday (tommorow) is my final deadline. If nothing happens, I'll get in touch with you bruce, thanks for the offer. In all the real time conversations with the guy, he seems like a nice guy, which is mainly why I'd really like to get this sorted out.

I've been told it's been shipped, so as it looks, taken care of. I'll know for sure by next monday. (6 business days to arrive)

Generally, the rule I've used for the last 4 or 5 years, is as soon as I see money from someone, I get that shit out the door and in the mail. No screwing around, its my end of the transaction. And years ago it was fairly common place. But over the last year and a bit, I've noticed more and more of crap like this taking place. Including this last week, where I bought 2 different GBBs from two different sellers. I paid for one on sunday through EMT, expecting it to ship right away, and only found out it didnt ship till 5 days after I paid for it. The other was paid for, and I was told it would ship right away, assuming it would arrive today monday. No show. Both shipped promissed tracking numbers right away. Havent recieved the first one, the second one I only got today, and it doesnt even work.

I think the kiddies out there need to remember when you accept someones cash, you have a responsibility to get shit done. If you cant get shit done, either dont accept the money in the first place, or at least warn the buyer before hand.

I was just given a tracking number for the package, scheduled to arrive on March 3. Interesting timing, almost my 18th B-day.

I'd like to add people:

Don't flake. If you offer to purchase, you're legally obliged to follow through. Someone could legally follow a flaker in court as this is, short and sweet, deception and fraud.

Because of a single big flaker, unfortunately, I've required people to plop down a 50% deposit on large orders prior to me importing large quantities of 'x' (I ended up with a very big overhead of particular accessories... all the ones people usually aren't interested in). It sucks, I hate asking, but at the half-way point, I've yet to see anyone turn their backs on so much money.

you are not legally obliged, unless your signature is on a peice of paper. If you don't want to purchase something, thats your right.


But, what I will agree with hands down is don't flake and just dissappear, explain yourself. IE. Unavailable funds!... Things come up you know. But to just disappear when the seller is sitting there on his hands telling everyone its sold, when if you come out say "Look, I just can't buy it, I'm sorry to trouble you." The worst is that the seller is a little let down that now he has to put it back up, but he's not sitting there for days/weeks when they could had gone back to their thread and say. "Sorry, the deal was called off, item back for sale, any new takers?"


Now, on to the "pre-order" now there is the only part where I'll agree with "obliged." Because you are getting someone to pay for something, instead of displaying interest in an item that is already in stock. The only thing is still, no signature, so your best bet is to do the deposite, they you have a legal lock with them. And they already paid half! Why pull out now?

I tried this a few weeks ago. TD bank was absolutely no help at all. They could not even tell me the account the money went to, simply to find the sellers phone number. They basically said they cant and wont do anything unless the RCMP tells them to. :neutral:

You do not need a signature. Most visible example: winning an Ebay auction. That's a legally binding contract.

Saying "I'm interested in" is completely different to saying "I'm buying, where do I send money?"

"I take "interested"'s and use them lightly, give the customer a sense of the stock, an average ETA, etc. On the other hand, "buying"'s, I pre-package it nearly right away. I should NOT have to wonder if the person will pay, but alas, it seems like people feel the anonymity somehow precludes them from following up on a deal.

Of course, I think were always assuming the flaker/buyer approaches the seller, not the other way around. Then in the case that the seller approaches an individual, it's fair enough to say "maybe I'll buy some other time", or something like that. That is NOT a binding contract.

I must say though, pre-deposits definitely do work, when used in the right context . For example, a 50% deposit (or more, of course) on a large order (10 or more radios, for example) means that:

1) All stock they want that I have in-stock, is held for them, in order that the orders come in;
2) It almost always means free shipping, and almost all tax is covered (8% PST in Ontario is excluded).

Well... on Ebay you have to "Agree" to the contract and terms of bidding at an auction type set up. Else your account won't get made. I'm just saying is that what the fine line is on, is Pre-order and deposits vs. Just saying, hey thats what I want!


See what I'm seeing being bitched about on the end of Retailers right now from consumers is this waiting period. But none of them will ever admit to whether or not they "pre-ordered" a gun. I mean I know lots of retailers will take pre-orders, the draw back is you wait longer, but get a bit of a discount.


Anyway... it all depends on the contract you set up. If you as a Retailer say "Look, once you order, your deposit must be made to ensure the transaction." Thats alright, if they call and say "I need a ____" whatever... and you say cool I can have that in two weeks. Then he can still legally choose not too.

Your best bet is the deposits.



Anyway, I'll agree to dissagree with ya on this one ^.^

Btw, I want a metal frame and slide for a KWA M92F IA Elite... got anything? :P

Package came today, got my stuff. Could a mod please delete my old feedback for Allstarr so I can put up a Neutral with a warning of possible delays?

Done