Soft-air pulled from Canadian Tire store
 

Oh man, If they would licence airsoft I would be a happy man.

What they are saying is, a few of their citizens are too stupid and unresponsible - so Canadian Tire will take away these toys from everyone. I don't like softair guns, but I do have a serious problem when the actions of the few punish the many. Things will never change.

I agree, that type of mentality is flawed. I mean, the guy who went to Vietnam and was "scared" when his son pulled a watergun on him? WTF. A licence to use a replica firearm? In my opinion, there should be a fucking licence to be able to drink liquor! (I don't mean your age of majority card of choice)...a friggin permit! Where does it all end? I sympathize with the police force having to discern a real from a fake. And in probably ALL cases they would treat it as real and loaded, which can only end in disaster.

Making all us responsible users take training and acquire a permit to use these guns responsibly won't solve the problem, because the people "causing the problems" are vandals, hoodlums and general dirt bags who either stole their soft-air/airsoft or found some other means to acquire them.

Keep your guns in cases kiddies! Be responsible. Don't look for trouble.

how is this line of thinking any different than that which brought about our current firearms act? this is a very old issue going back to confederation. sir john a macdonald said in a speech back in the 1870's "gun control is pure folly. the result will be to disarm the honest citizen and arm the rowdys". so what's changed? this is just another extension of public over-reaction which leads to more laws and regulations to take away a little more. but ontario is a liberal hotbed and who do you think spearheads the laws?

"Alex Lawrence of Scugog said any gun that can cause bodily harm should be registered."

So soft-air can cause bodily harm now? :lol: Must not be the clear junk they have at my CT. I wouldn't even say that real airsoft can cause bodily harm, unless your unlucky (or stupid) enough to get it in the eye. Regular BB and pellet and pball guns can cause alot more damage than airsoft, so are we going to register all of them too? The current 1 Billion spent on gun registry will seem like peanuts if they try to get every airgun registered. :banghead:

By logic where does this process end? People get hurt falling off of their roof.. they will need a roof walking permit, but wait.. some people get hurt falling off of ladder to get to their roof, therefor they should have a ladder climbing to roof permit. People hurt other people with knives, they should issue knife permits, people hurt each other with writing utensils, you should have a liscence to use a pen or pencil. People can act foolishly with waterguns and nerf weapons, we should sell soft-toy-launching liscence.

The point is, you cant liscence absoloutley everything that society uses or effects them to use poor conduct.

Thats kind of a creepy mentality.

Registering airsoft
 

In a way I have to agree Man Solo. Sure getting a licence would probably be a pain and cost a bit of money, but it would be a great way to keep all the little kids/immature losers from buying CT crap and giving airsoft a bad reputation. And if this licence enabled you to import airsoft from overseas :D then I'd be all for it. Why shouldn't I be able to buy a CA from the US for 300$ ? :xmas: :lol:

If they admit that airsoft can cause bodily harm they can't classify them as replicas.

"This fact sheet is of interest to you if you have any device that:

* Looks exactly (or almost exactly) like a firearm, but is not a firearm; and,
* Cannot discharge projectiles at all, or discharge only harmless projectiles.

Devices that discharge projectiles that can cause serious bodily injury, such as the penetration of an eye, are not replicas."

Up here, I've seen tons of local shitrats running around firing indescriminantly, richocheting off cars. I'd love to see them pull it out of every store.

Penguin, that was partially my point, where does it all end? The other part was that there are simply more deadly mediums of destruction out there than a few replica firearms. Airsofters in general are a responsible bunch. It's the non-airsofters and the dim wits that cause all these headaches.

I have to admit though, I've gone to many games and have not yet had any issues with law enforcement because my gun stays hidden in a case, in my car until I get to the field. Period. Then again, if you can't figure that out on your own, then maybe you shouldn't be involved with airsoft!

Hey, someone hurt my feelings once ... and you know something? They didn't show me any permit that gave them the right to do that. I'm calling City Hall ... we need to get that taken care of ASAP.

That being said why not move Airsoft under the Fire Arms Certificate act. that would be a cheap way to weed out the rotten eggs. sure people will have to take the what 2 weekend course which is a joke in itself. When i was in Aircadets i got my FAC when i was 14. sure i had to hold onto the papers till i was 18. Its really a joke and that the Canadian Gov' isnt really inforcing the FAC. but still. Would solve alot of problems in my opinion.


another thing is. why would abunch of youngsters (they were like 16) be doing with SOFTAIR guns. thot all stores are suppose to sell them to 18+ yr olds. should start cracking down on the burnout highschool drop outs who dont id kids. my 13 year old brother bought a softair gun from canadian tire no problem.

Stupid kids around these parts have brought these "soft-air" guns to school!
The idiots think they won't get in trouble if they do it on the last day of school...hell, they shoot them at cars and other kids. These are the people that shouldn't be allowed to own a softair gun or any kind of gun if they are going to be irrisponsible (sp?) with them.

And as said above, Canadian Tire sells these guns to anyone. Most kids these days are 6 feet tall and have beards (jk) but CT seems to just want your money and doesn't care if someone is 13 or 18.
These rules should be enforced...and when they are, irresponsible parents buy their kids these guns, thinking that their kids are very responsible and would never do anything bad or illegal. BS.

Luckily the dimwit that brought that soft-air gun to my highschool had one of the clear ones. Unluckily he wants to buy one of those black 1/1 scale crosman guns from the US...

How do we stop these people from getting ahold of these things?
A total ban on the guns in question, or 21 age minimum?

8-O

Ahhh sorry alex, I thought all my papers were all up to date :)

Stupid kids, they don't know the consequences...

a 21 age requirement wouldnt do anygood. Its the same as the 18year old requirement. All they would need is someone to pull for them. like smokes and booze.


Good Ass Kickings is what there should be. twice the pounding for bringing a clear airsoft gun to school ^_^

LOL, great so town counsel is suppost to know the difference if they compare. All I know is gun control doesn't work, I gave up my FAC and real steel 7 years ago. Everyone I knew that sold legal guns is dead, retired or bankrupt. I tried to become a gunsmith in the 90s and I had no options and now the OPP can't find one for a job opening lol.

Airsoft has been my only firearms pleasure and no one dies with airsoft unless your stupid enough to pull it on a cop and I hope you get the just penalty for that action. I am a true believer in maximum jailtime for use of firearms to commit crime including shooting at people on the streets. Regardless of age. Hell I know 80s that still drive cars that are a death waiting to happen.

As for Durham region, well I stay out of local politics as I already work for the local politicians in my area. The sale of softair for all our complaining is doing more good overall to promote our sport in a positive light through the legitimate sale in big box retails. It promotes communication tothe public that this is a accepted sport. It works for paintball it can quietly work for us too.

There will always be those fools who claim bravado and shoot at innocent people. I hope they get the maximum punishment for there senseless crimes.

Cheers and this is one to watch

Airsoft is much like real world in that both arena's are having difficulty "controlling" what we'll call "illegal" gun distribution and use. The problem isn't the age of the user, it's the intent of the user. My son is 10 years old. He has been taught the "responsible" manner in which to safely use his airsoft/paintball guns and he does quite well.

The problem is these irresponsible, unthinking youth who think it is hilarious to point a weapon, whether it be clear or an exact replica, at someone. Along the same lines as the kids who think drinking beer all night at a party and then hoping on the ATV for a quick boot around the forest is a brilliant idea. Now the province of B.C. wants to tighten the control on ATV users basically fucking the responsible users.

The government can simply make something illegal, or highly controlled if they choose, to halt this issue. There is not much we can do, other than be responsible ourselves and hope things don't go stupid. And if you see a kid being an idiot, poke'm in the eye!

IMO Canadian Tire should not be selling ANYTHING to do with firearms whether it be paintball, airsoft, or the real thing.

Recently in TO, there was a bunch of breakins where ONLY guns were targeted. THEN the cops are wondering "How did these people know exactly which houses to hit for guns?" Well It's not very hard to understand.
Walk into crappy tire and buy a box of 12 Guage shells. What does the 15 year old kid getting them for you ask for? Your name, address, and firearms license. Let me tell you, I have not ONCE given them my address. Wanna know why? Cause that 15 year old kid takes down your address. "Well this guy is buying ammo, he must have guns!" He automatically knows which houses have guns in them. I have not once given Canadian Tire my info.

I am 17 years old, I have my hunting license and my firearms license. I recently walked into Canadian Tire and bought a box of .308 cartridges and a box of .30-.06. I get them NO PROBLEM. I also ask to buy one of those 1000 count things of their cheap ass airsoft bb's to shoot through my springer pistol for shits and giggles (I know, no comments needed on the canadian tire bb's) and guess what? They wouldnt sell me the bb's. I walked out of the store with my .308 and .30-.06 cartridges, but they would be damned if they sold me pieces of plastic!
Canaidan Tire needs to smarten up. Stop selling ammunition. Don't complain that you wont be able to buy ammo for your guns if they didn't sell it. There is no shortage of gun shops around for you to buy whatever you needed.

He said that unlike some pellet and paint ball guns, the soft air guns do not use an air cartridge to launch ammunition. However, the models that have been removed are capable of firing plastic pellets at a rate of 230 feet per second.

OH NOEZ! THEY DONT USE AIR TO SHOOT THE BB! Like that has something do do with anything? WTF is the difference? People are VERY lucky people do drive-by's with canaidian tire paintball and airsoft stuff.

Imagine if people shot up their neighbour hoods with high powerd AEG's? Imagine if people did drive-by paintballings with instead of the canadian tire guns that shoot 2 BPS max, used a high end Timmy or Matrix that puts out 20+bps?

If canadian tire stopped selling their paintball/airsoft guns, the shootings would instantly stop. Because you know damn right a bunch of kids aernt going to drop $1000 + on a high end paintball gun to go shoot people from their cars.

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one word. WallyMart.

Canadian Tire should just be selling Fake Christmas trees and hammers, not guns.

Don't forget poor quality sweatshop crafted sports equipment

They make quite a crackle when they fire,” said Mr. Cayen. hahahahahahahaha yeah right

lol...everyone hates our generation (people aged 10 to 17 right now). I agree that probably 60% of us fit in this whole mischevious stereotype.

Don't you al realize the gov't's ultimite goal is to ban everything from firearms, air guns, air soft, items for self defence (pepper spray, taser type stuff,, etc (which is already banned, i would hate to be the law abiding citizen who runs into a bear on a camping trip)), bladed objects (yes, kitchen knives with points). The key is to not give in easily.

The problem, with gun control, is it only restricts the law abiding citizens. Think the gang members are going to march into SIR and buy a registered bolt action??? of course not, they're going to aquire their guns from illegal shipments coming from outside Canada. It's time to realize law abiding citizens arent the problem. The $998 million, and counting should have/should be used in hospitals, or legions, or something benifiting law abiding citizens.

You need government. Without government our country would be thrown into a state of chaos. The problem is where the line gets drawn. How far do they (the government) go before we feel we need to push back. The government has to deal with people on ALL sides. Police forces, general voting public, the users of the airsoft guns etc... They weigh many things, voting capability, danger to the public/police etc. I'll be the first to admit that I don't envy their job. But I've never agreed with banning something or making something entirely illegal because a small percentile of the public abuse it. But it seems like sometimes, that's the only way to stop the bullshit.

If airsoft went deep underground, heck, maybe it would be good for the game. It would purge the system and potentially make things better. On the other hand, I'd rather not sneak around to the already limited places to play. Oh the humanity!

lol.

Our grand children will be saying things like: Wow grandpa, you actually got to shoot a gun??? I though only (that hunter form buggs bunny) gets to shoot a gun.

And old billy the carpentar will be cursing at using his round ended knife for cutting carpet (in 50 years).

I disagree. Not only SHOULD Canadian Tire sell guns, they should be able to sell liquor too.

Just because some "people" have raised brats to be ignorant fucks does not make it right to limit choices. Stupid assholes. More and more I'm starting to think that parenting should be licensed. On the other hand, kids will be kids no matter their level of up-bringing; places such as Canadian Tire should smarten up and make their IDing a strict affair.

Yes, perhaps constant check-ups and screening employees would be in order.

Your rant is wrong. The requirement for gun shops in Ontario to record that information when selling ammunition is a a requirement for ALL gun shops, not just Canadian Tire. The requirements are laid out in provincial legislation under the Ammunition Regulation Act, 1994, S.O. 1994, c. 20.

If the store let you get away with your uppity attitude, they're in violation of the law.

If you want to be pissed at someone, be pissed at the NDP Government -- they provincial NDPers passed that legislation in 1994 near the end of their mandate.

KD

Hes saying that telling all info to 15 years old at CT is a bad idea. Its a old trick. The kid might sell the info to some other punk for few bucks. It does not have to be a kid anyway, anyone can do it, its just that the kids( 15-18 ) who tend to do it more often.
as a example
If you had car stereo installed in some shibby garage, and it was stolen week later,....hanging upside down the dude who installed it is the way to find it. You know what im saying.

Thing i want to know is. Why dont we hear any airsoft news in Sweden or Germany of some 14 year old pulling a airsoft uzi on friends.

What are they doing to keep things in control? Anywhere in europe. i only heard of one place where there was some form of trouble and it wasnt that big of a deal. guy was pulled over at a police check returning from an airsoft game or practice or something and the police noticed that his airsoft pistol wasnt in a secured box with a lock on it in the trunk (it was in his backseat along with his other gear). and that was in the uk in like 2000

Because we don't have the mature level of media culture that Europe does?

KD

well if canadain tire follows through with what their saying i guess wal-mart is gonna get alot more customers

Cause in like russia if you pull out an airsoft gun, your probably going to get shot lol

yah but in uk and stuff they are fairley media orientated. And of course there would be talk about it on forums and stuff like msn news and such if a 14 year old gets blasted away by a russian soldier.

True. But they should stop selling crappy softair and start selling airsoft. No kid will go to CT to buy a $500 gun for driveby shootings, and no parent will buy it for them.

i dont know... if the kid has job or has a uber rich family it could be done!!!

Well, we don't hear about it, because it doesn't make international media. I mean come on, you really think that a news company in Germany is like "0hn03s, teh c@nadian tire is not selling teh s0ftairs1111111oneoneone!.". It wouldn't suprise me in any case if it doesn't happen in Germany specificaly, because all the kids I know that were raised in zee Germany are really by-the-book do as your told kiddos who don't break the rules.

you dont understand goldman. i am ASkign what they do in Europe.You dont hear reports from Europe of people running around with softair guns shooting up eachother doing drive buys and what not. How do they control it. is it a having to be of age either softair or airsoft or what.

Do you read local news over in europe?

The stuff that goes 'international' is usually the bigger stuff. I am sure that if you read the forums at Arnie's or other european sites you will find a thread or two about local incidents. You will probally miss a report unless you read the local papers every day type of thing.

the world is full of stupid ppl.

Dam straight. Some people are so retarded (I am not talking about mentally challenged people) it is not funny. I mean I wonder why people do some of the things that these idiots do. Thinking about it just makes me angry. :banghead:

Its stupid that they even bother selling softair...which idiot in marketing decided that canada needed softair crap...

Psst. . . I don't know if you know this, but it turns out Crappy Tire actually sells a lot of cheap shit, and it's why people shop there.

KD

if i read this article correctly it was paintballers shooting at a car with paintballs that got the softair pulled. if i did read that right, why hasnt the paintball gear been pulled. if i misread it, feel free to correct me.

:smack:

They control it by actually having punishment for for people who break laws...
Unlike Canada where we have that retarded young offenders act and judges (both here and the States) that don't enforce mandatory minimum sentences and Lawyers that plea bargain everything... If someone commits a crime there should be just consquences ... and right now that isn't the case in north america.

"God loves stupid people. It's true! Otherwise, why would he have put so many on the planet? Had you ever tought about it that way?"


Now, on with the more serious par of this thread...

Yes, it would be a good thing for us if they declared AEG's as replicas and issued papers to legally own them... or created a separate category in the law specifically for airsoft and created a permit to own them... but that's about as far as that would go (giving permits to own them), as registering the guns themselves would never work. No matter how you plan to do it, and it does not even have to do with the "but the evil minds of this world will never register their guns" thing we always come back to... Let me explain this new problem that would make the registry even more expensive than the actual gun registry... even if the market's so low compared to real steel...

How on earth do you plan to register 500 KJW M9 pistols that ALL have the SAME serial number? Or the TM 750 M4's out there that all have the same serials? Or the hundreds of M11's, or the... do I have to continue or have I made my point clear anough yet?

It's all fun is theory, but try to bring it to the world of gov. paperwork, and it all goes straight to the can... Nothing to do with the Gov. itself, more as they have strict procedures to keep track of EVERYTHING, and a serial number's one of the things they would request... and they're all the same for the same model of the same brand.


Next problem is the definition of a replica... shooting non-harmful projectiles... now, I don't know about you, but I'm darn sure that a BB shot point blank from even a TM sprigner (say 150 FPS with .20g's to give the worst TM out there, I'll forget about EBB's, those would never manage to harm a fly even if it crept inside the barrel before the shot went off.) would poke someone's eye out... Again, this would be solved if they created a different category in the law for airsoft all together and just made papers to own them...

Making you take a 2-week class about safe handling, maintenance, proper use, and point out that from now, if you're dumb anough to bring it out to a public place and point it at a cop when they show up (and they WILL show up), they no longer have to try and see if it's a real one or not, they will just fill you with lead from head to toe with no remorse... protecting the public's the #1 concern, working against natural selection shouldn't be.


Again, I have to appologize for the long post, I always put more rant than I should, but considering I have not posted in months, might as well make the first post a complete one and go thru all that could come up, no?


DanO

The guy said they have some in black, i havent seen any in black, hes a liar

ok.

the reason you dont hear about this stuff from germany is because full-auto aeg's are illegal there

The other reason is that you don't necro bump just to say that. LOCK PLZ